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Not clear whether you consider this a good thing or a disgrace?

Exactly.

As another israeli - certainly a good thing. For a nation in our position, in a deeply hostile region, where a major military defeat is certain to be genocide, doing everything possible for national defence is the only way possible to survive. Stuxnet in particular is something that I'm extremely proud of.

You say this as your country is invading and occupying land that doesn’t belong to them and murdering innocents to drive them out. Yeah, nice way to be proud.

very hard to think of any country that has NOT done this. History shows that people and their countries do bad things.

True, but there is a difference between 'my ancestors have done this' and 'some of the taxes I'm paying are going into continuing the occupation; I've voted for the people who are ordering the air strikes'. There's fewer countries where that's true today.

Not a very hard-hitting analysis.

This is a childish excuse.

whataboutism

Well, that's your interpretation of the events, and one-sided and not a very truthful one at best.

It is the interpretation of all of the international community except for the US and Israel. The UN has repeatedly voted to recognize this, often being blocked by the US. There is no real controversy on this.

Edit: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Counci...

The entire UN Security Council officially recognized this, with even the US not using their veto power (they abstained).

I'm well aware of UN position on Israel, I just don't understand how anyone who knows how this organization operates can pretend it represents "international community" or has any moral authority.

You characterize it as a superficial institutional opinion rather than the judgment of the vast majority of humanity.

So when you say that stating there are no boundaries is a good thing for Israel, would you have held that same view in the 1930's and 1940's when most of Europe was busy trying to resist another organisation that also did not believe in boundaries?

Why do you think their opinion should be expressed in their comment?

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