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I'm am American and recently moved to Europe. I had to get a new phone because my old contract wasn't up. I had a LG G6 before, and ended up with a Huawei P20 and can't imagine why someone would pay 3-4x for a Samsung or an iPhone. The camera is phenomenal!

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Huawei phones send info to China.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3685669

And Android/iPhone in general send info to North America.

Vilification of the other without pause to consider the status-quo is not an appeal to "whataboutism" it's just pointing out hypocrisy. I really wish I didn't have to care about NSA or huge US tech companies aggregating information.

But I do. I cannot in good conscious condemn China for this if the alternatives are equivalent.

if the alternatives are equivalent.

Is the info used equally in China? E.g. does the US have a social score system?

Enough with the false equivalences.

I don’t understand how it’s false. Why do I care what score China gives me?

I could also argue that the US tech companies are fully capable (and likely doing) the same thing. Sure, it’s not government funded but remove the “US is good” lens and it’s quite scary.

It does what is the no fly list in the us exactly. Many people have got a low score of having a Muslim name or of being an aquantaince with suspected criminal to be put on the no fly list. Or having criticised some us agency all this get you a low score and stop you from flying. This system just doesn't have scores but it is the same damn thing.

Seems like rampant vote manipulation is going on here to promote anti-Sinoism.

In fairness, there's rampant vote manipulation to promote everything on HN. So the Sino-philic camp is doing it too. kind of unfair to single out the Sino-phobic camp in that regard.

I mean, if you're in a room full of pregnant high school girls, it makes no sense to single one out as the "most" virgin. There are no virgins in the room.

Dude what are you talking about

More people already trust Google and are comfortable continuing to trust them (I don’t and I don’t think you should either, but it’s your choice) compared to an unknown entity with no data protection policies that we know of. Besides, there’s no denying that the Chinese government has used its access to digital information to track down dissidents, advocates, and journalists—not to mention racial profiling and persecution.

Products are generally cheaper when produced using stolen IP.

If that is the case why are apple and google not suing them to stop them from selling in US?

Apple has only 2 cameras btw. P20 has 4.

I'm not sure how this addresses the parent post's point

Implying for the most popular feature of the smartphone, there isn't anything for Huawei to copy from Apple. It has been very long time that iPhone doesn't have the best cameras along all, what is the point of copying that?

> can't imagine why someone would pay 3-4x for a Samsung or an iPhone.

Because an iPhone doesn't run Android. Android sucks. You couldn't pay me to own an Android phone.

Agreed. I don’t want to buy an iPhone. But I really don’t want to buy Google.

Now I’m looking for a dumb phone.

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