I for one am tired of extremely misguided and unjustified attempts at engineering everything on the planet.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1644264/pdf/pro...
I don't disagree that the number of human beings on this planet is unsustainable, but I also wonder if there are underlying social pathologies that immigration is only temporarily masking. If we can generalize social behavior (and maybe we can't - but if so, "humans have reason" is not why) in mammals at all, Calhoun's experiments are certainly very alarming.
We are nowhere near having to worry about extinction due to not enough people.
One might as well say the two thousand rats in the article had nothing to worry about because there were so many of them - but the peak is exactly where the social collapse was irreversible.
Again, I agree that seven billion is not a sustainable number of humans. In terms of resources and environmental damage, seven billion is a catastrophe. What I’m saying is that population declines may be heralding a different kind of disaster.
Not to mention, rat society doesn't change much whether it's ten rats or a hundred. Human culture becomes very different as people aggregate together, so whose to say that the very same social conditions triggered by increasing population will not themselves be changed by decreasing population?
It turns out rat society is much more complicated than I at least thought, and it definitely changes dramatically once it reaches a critical mass.
> Is this a totally reasonable thing to say, though, comparing us to rats in this situation?
I don't know. It depends on how generalizable social behavior is. I think it's very worrying with the problems we see with socialization in the world today and behaviors that, by analogy, resemble what's going on in Calhoun's experiments. We also have some anecdata from other social animals experiencing different types of collapse, where even though there is the physical capability of reproduction, the social collapse prevents it from occurring.
> Rats have no concept of extinction or death, humans do. To me, that means a lot.
What we abstractly know, for better or for worse, generally has little do with how we act. For example, human populations that experience severe trauma have problems even generations later, despite all their knowledge that their behavior is counterproductive.
I'm very curious how they found a control group for this. Generations, plural, encompasses, among other things, both world wars, and their aftermaths.
One is the fact that there is going to be greater immigrant representation, and immigrants will have/need to have a separate voice. If a society is not well-equipped to handle this, it can face problems from that.
The other is that typically, the ratio of dependents to workers tend to get further skewed, with more dependents being supported by a single worker. This makes for hardship for the population, if not adequately addressed.
The way your comment is written it is technically a straw man fallacy.