The social credit score in China is far more invasive and penalizes you for associating yourself with individuals who have low scores.
To compare the two is disingenuous and reaks of whataboutism
Your comment would be just fine without the last sentence.
https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...
This isn't the same social credit that is mentioned in this article. What you're describing is a speculated feature of a social credit system that doesn't even exist yet.
Which would you prefer? Be thrown in jail; or be limited some freedoms/privileges?
I'll take limited freedom. Maybe, then, I'll have a simple chance to prove my case. From Wikipedia, 21% of prisoners in the US are unsentenced. That's roughly 400,000 persons.
It's as crazy to think that close to a half million people are sitting behind bar with no sentence and probably no resources to fight back.
Yes, China is bad. But I think it is doing better than the US given the resources it has and the population challenges.
Criticizing evil does not implicitly mean you endorse your own localized evil. The rampant systemic and structural racism and classism built into American society is heinous, but all I can realistically do about it from my vantage point of poor 20 something living in rural PA is vote and advocate for politicians I put my trust in to right the wrongs.
Tell that to the between 1 and 3 million people who are in Chinese concentration camps because of their religion.
>From Wikipedia, 21% of prisoners in the US are unsentenced.
I'm not sure about the number you came up with, but those are people are awaiting trial, and there are constitutional limitations on how long they can be held. There are no such safeguards in China.
The US is toying with going in that direction.
https://money.cnn.com/2013/08/26/technology/social/facebook-...
> One such company, Lenddo, determines if you're friends on Facebook (FB) with someone who was late paying back a loan to Lenddo. If so, that's bad news for you. It's even worse news if the delinquent friend is someone you frequently interact with.
Fully expect to see this sort of thing incorporated in credit scores barring legislation to restrict it. We've got even less ability as individuals to stop Equifax from doing this sort of stuff than we would versus a government.
I fully expect to see an enterprising lawyer bringing a class action suit and taking the money of the companies who invested in this one
As a US citizen, I don't believe that pointing out my own faults is "whataboutism". It is self-criticism. "Whataboutism" is a defense. I am not defending China, what they are doing is awful, and we should work to make sure that the systems that we have in our country don't replicate it whatsoever.
Basically, I am taking "Appeal to Hypocrisy" and flipping it on its head. For the most part, I do not have the ability, power, or vote to alter the course of Chinese politics. However, most people on here have the opportunity to do so in the US.
Yes, but the fix for this problem is not to stop allowing people to consider a past felony conviction when determining what sort of business to do with a person. The fix for this problem is to stop criminalizing things that shouldn't be criminalized, like non-violent possession or use of drugs.
Nor do Chinese citizens.
Good on you for fighting the good fight, I've abandoned all hope: I'll let our societies figure out where this winding path goes itself and hedge accordingly…
Social network-influenced credit scores are becoming common internationally, including by US lenders, but do not appear to be used yet by the major credit reporting agencies in the US due to uncertainty over status under the Fair Credit Reporting Act (just a few of many articles):
https://www.badcredit.org/consequences-using-social-network-...
https://www.creditinfocenter.com/creditreports/scoring/socia...
https://qz.com/1276781/algorithms-are-making-the-same-mistak...
What about all those high school friends we still have on Facebook who never did anything with their lives?
Citation Needed. As far as I know that's a possible, but still speculated feature.
You can think of China's currently state of totalitarianism as a metastasis of what started in the US.
> The US had the _social_ credit system up and running for years...
Basically, if social network analysis helps creditors, then it will be done unless the state or some external force provides sufficient counter-incentive.