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I'd rather see us stand up to totalitarianism so that forged papers aren't need.
(consensually getting someone across a border is widely criminalised)
What's going on in the responses to this thread is ridiculous.
Sounds like a fun side project.
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It's easy to be steered into echo chambers and algorithmic news bubbles. Let's answer earnest questions with earnest answers. Leave the downvote button for things that break with the rules or good faith.
How great would it be if we could just gather over a beer and chat.
There has, for a long time, been a sense that atrocities were not able to occur in the United States, due to some combination of individualism, enumerated rights, American exceptionalism, etc. Rising white nationalism and racism was a driving force in Trump's election. Since then, he has been a symbol for a darker sides of politics that people previously imagined to be absent in the US. It is not that terrible things on a similar magnitude to Soviet Russia or Nazi Germany have happened. It is that the US is not immune to those things happening.
(This is not meant to imply that family separation, rolling back of trans rights, and tacit approval of white supremacist violence are not terrible. They are deplorable actions, and I do not want to lessen their impact.)
> asking my question rewards me with downvotes
> I don't care about HN karma, but it's a shame to see
It sounds to me like you do care about HN karma quite a bit.
Anyway, I'll point you out to this popular tweet which may give you an understanding as to why people are comparing America today to Nazi Germany: https://twitter.com/1SarahRose/status/826116204301516800
As to why people blame Trump for it, though he is definitely not the only one to blame, as POTUS I feel that he has a responsibility to bring people together, regardless if they voted for him or not, and instead he's doing the opposite.
It's just a bit absurd, wherever you are on the political spectrum, to seriously think the US is at all similar to Nazi Germany now. You have to live in an echo chamber if you think Trump and Hitler are comparable. Stalin was was even very left wing, btw.
Also, you call other people's political views 'ridiculous' and then you wonder why they won't engage with that and instead downvote you? If you want a serious discussion, start with better kindling.
> You have to live in an echo chamber if you think Trump and Hitler are comparable.
Again, insulting the reader instead of offering some serious counterpoints which could spark a debate.
Be very, very careful what excuses one makes when "your guy" is overreaching and expanding power.
> the sales of national park lands
How is that comparable to what the Germans or Russians did?
For that matter, how is any of that comparable to gulags or Auschwitz?
Concentration camps or Gulags aren't the only reason for people needing to leave the country without its government learning about it.
If any of Trump's policies have led someone to feel they need to leave the US, they don't need forged documents to do it.
And there is a lot to be concerned about our culture. And yes there are parallels to some 20th century isms. But those things are bad because they are bad. Not because of some bogeyman from yesteryear.
Alao, ISIS acts are contemporary and we might find they are comparable.
And in a practical sense the key is always to consider the effect of bad actions on individual people. It is about human rights and dignity. And that is what nationalists want to destroy. They value the "nation" more highly than they value individual humans. That is what made Nazis bad. Everything else is just fact based symbolism that can be twisted to support any argument you want.
Doesn't look like something has been sold though...
Vietnamese-Americans include some of the most reliable Republican voters in the country, I wonder if this will change that.
The vietnamese that got deported also committed crimes. He didn't deport everyone, which isn't really that bad.
Again, he hasn't really done much of anything and is mostly a lame duck president.
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/402727-adminis...
He also recently signed a bill to expand national park territory including Joshua Tree:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/feb/13/senate-b...
Where did Trump call for violence against journalists?
ICE detaining families, splitting kids from their parents
Man oh man, America "the shining beacon of freedom and democracy". "But what about the infants being torn away from their parents?" "Don't worry, the other side did it too, so we're not the bad guys here!"
For Sweden, the rules in regard to temporary holding is also very clear. If the crime has a serious enough potential punishment and the investigation risk getting interference, or there is a significant flight risk, then the person under investigation is put in holding for as long as any of the above qualify. If Sweden ever get the same situation as the US and the government wanted to prevent family separation, what they would have to do is either write a special exception and override existing laws or change the punishment down to a fine.
Personally I don't find the law evil. The US implementation could use some major redesign in order to prioritize the child needs over that of the parents, but children should never end up in jail because their parents broke the law. The solution to the US issue must thus be in fixing so that immigrants don't break the law when they want to apply for asylum/legal immigration. That is what we did during the refugee crisis.
https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/did-the-obama-administrati...
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-border-crisis/...
https://m.facebook.com/homelandsecurity/posts/22318216601637...
> In 2016, a court ruling limited how long children with their parents could be in family detention centers.
Obama released families. Trump has taken a stricter stance against immigration, which requires some unpleasant enforcement, but once again according to FactCheck, he did order that families be kept together as long as possible:
> On June 20, President Donald Trump signed an executive order directing Nielsen to keep families in custody together “during the pendency of any criminal improper entry or immigration proceedings involving their members” at least “to the extent permitted by law and subject to the availability of appropriations.”
That order came in pretty late. Thousands of children may have been separated before that order was put out: https://oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-BL-18-00511.pdf
Out of curiousity, how would you suggest people trying to enter the United States with children should be handled, without just allowing them to enter freely?
* They likely believe the situation went from everything being fine to everything being not fine at extreme speed in 2016
* They have just been subjected to 2 years of evidence of their political tribe's relative impotence removing a criminal from high office
Those beliefs should be a lot easier to push the idea that government capability is the threat, not the governments current intentions.
Guess they're leftists who didn't know their history. Or weren't aware somehow of what Black Lives Matter is all about.