What should _really_ concern the powers that be is that Europe has become a place to sell things, not make them.
What should _really_ concern the powers that be is that Europe has become a place to sell things, not make them.
- how do we curb the emergence of giant tech corporations with finances the size of nation states that literally threatens democracies through lobbying and fake news? The US was there a hundred years ago with antitrust regulation but it seems like the US is not enforcing antitrust law anymore
- how do we make those giant tech corporations pay fair share of tax? Again, the US used to tax it's corporations, but when it comes to tech, the US seems content with letting them hide their income in foreign tax shelters
- how do we protect content creators like journalists from the giant tech corporations' completely free consumption of their work?
- how do we regulate the so called "sharing economy" so that highly regulated industries such as hotels and taxis are not met with unfair competition by companies who's main innovation seems to be that they don't follow rules?
- how do we secure the privacy of citizens?
As a person running a small business, I don't see these motions by the EU as "sticking up for the little guy" or looking out for local businesses. I see them as just more things to think about as I try to keep my business running and growing.
Furthermore, I see a lot of talk about tax and fairness. I don't see a lot of talk about how that money is spent or what the benefits of running a European company are.
I don't know, but this problem easily generalizes _all_ giant corporations.
I've been keeping my eye on the UK market for years - the last 20 years to be exact in a bid to consider moving back home. I would have to consider an almost guaranteed 75% pay cut (incl. cost of living adjustment) to move. I have a British passport, I was born and grew up there until I was 25. I have a place to stay in London upon my arrival to help me get set up. I am legally allowed to take any job that would hire me. I still cannot justify the move. It's too much to ask of anyone.
The reason the UK is not the tech giant the U.S. is, is that they don't take developers seriously. Until they stem the tide of developers leaving the UK for a decent income and cost of living, they're never ever going to have what the U.S. has. They don't need to legislate themselves into digital irrelevance, they're already digitally irrelevant, they just need to keep paying developers what they're paying them now.
Berlin may have comparable salaries (for me it was actually better, but that was probably specific circumstances), but cost of living is dramatically lower and quality of life dramatically better.
What if we swap the chicken with the egg in that argument:
Maybe UK engineers aren't paid as much as US engineers because UK companies aren't nearly as profitable as US ones?
Another way to phrase that is that UK engineers, in the UK, don't produce as much value as UK engineers do in the US, which is why it makes sense for them to move.
1. The top companies have finally managed to learn that outsourcing of your product to overseas companies drives the quality of the product into the ground. When you separate your project stakeholders and subject matter experts from your UX and development teams, shit falls to pieces in a hurry.
2. U.S. Tech companies don't give a shit about driving up global salaries, they give a shit about their own success and profits - right now. They already have a team fueling their success and they'd like to keep them close.
Outsouring to high-quality Indian firms, or to British/Euro firms, doesn't.
The problem is that high taxes and low tax brackets in Europe - particularly on salaries - are having a strong counter effect. I'm considering moving and I don't even make that much (by US standards, anyway).
I just hope that this time the EU won't let the government waste taxpayer money.
I, for one, would gladly exchange the current menagerie of dysfunctional local companies for FAANG subsidiaries. Microsoft pays some of the highest salaries here, doesn't need regular government bailouts and doesn't depend on rent-seeking to make its profit - which is more than I can say for many businesses here.
The thought of taking a job with twice the salary but a third of the vacation is pretty awful to me and most of my tech friends.
Just because the EU passed privacy regulations?
The Copyright directive in particular - we Europeans often found some comfort in the fact that corporate lobbies don't have nearly as much power in the EU as they do in the US. Sadly, if that directive passes, we won't even have that.
Er, no. Just to tax them at all. US companies have been completely dodging paying taxes in Europe (effective tax rates of <1% on billions of profits).
Shouldn't they be paying those taxes in China or the US?
Well for one, Apple contracts out the manufacturing of the products to multiple Chinese companies so I fail to see what taxes on profits they would be paying in China wrt manufacturing.
The EU(~508m ppl) is not the US. Apple have a massive presence in Ireland dealing with everything EU specific from before the products hits the shelves to after they're bought.
It still wouldn't be getting any more tax money if Apple was paying more tax in the US rather than stashing it away in tax havens.
I'm curious about that too. Anyone have a good answer as to why there isn't at least 1 by now?
Additionally, many of these internet companies are formed from the ashes and exiles of older companies in the US. Valve is founded by former Microsoft employees, Google got Jeff Dean and Sanjay from DEC, etc.
Also, a bunch of money flows from investors who profited off early internet companies in the US, such as the Paypal mafia and Netscape. Investors who want their startups nearby.
I paid around 800 euros per month for a one bedroom apartment when I moved into the capital region in my country. I've since moved and now I own my own apartment. About 900 euros a month for living expenses and it's 10 m^2 bigger.
I also graduated without any debt, so that's not an expense I have to deal with.
To me, it really seems like US is the expensive option unless I'm buying phones and computers.
Without top quality developers, you're not going to have a top internet company.
• The culture of incentivising employees with equity stakes is mostly a US thing. It's not widely practiced outside the USA. ARM is a rare example of a British tech firm that gave out equity to early employees, and not coincidentally, ARM was (up until it got bought by the Japanese) one of Europe's tech success stories.
• Lack of a comparable venture capital ecosystem of the type that came out of the success of Silicon Valley.
• The EU single market is (a) relatively new and (b) overhyped. It's still much easier to sell across state lines in the USA than it is to sell to the EU market, for all kinds of reasons. Of course the single market made it a lot easier but still not as easy as when there's a single language, a well established federal-level trading code that's been around hundreds of years etc.
• During the time the big US tech firms were establishing themselves and taking off (the 1980s), Europe was riven with hard socialism and even dictatorships. Spain was a dictatorship up until 1982, and they then elected socialists. France has famously strict labor laws that make it extremely risky and hard to try and grow a startup (which is already risky and hard). Italy was bogged down from the 70s-90s and arguably still today by heavily broken interventionist labour market, and terrorism/political instability. Germany didn't liberalise its labour markets to something approximating US standards until the Hartz IV reforms in the early 2000s and of course was split in two with one half being another dictatorship until 1991. During the 1980s the UK was busy recovering from a near-fatal economic meltdown caused by confrontations with hard left unions, that had rotating power cuts, three day weeks, garbage piling up on streets and an IMF bailout. Thatcher spent the whole of the 80s trying to bring the UK back to western liberal standards of growth and prosperity, so it wasn't an environment conducive to making a Microsoft or an Apple.
So it's a combination of US style VC fuelled tech ecosystems taking decades to grow, lack of equity-based incentives, most of Europe not having had sufficient political stability during the time companies like Apple, Microsoft, Intel etc were becoming established, and large parts of Europe even today still having radically more socialist governments and economies than the USA with the concomitant difficulty of growing any kind of startup at all, let alone high risk/high reward tech startups.
Most of the rest are more trouble than they're worth and in the best case will merely be a blip on the radar of any business big enough to move into them.
Nope, the dictator died in 1975, and there were free elections in 1977 (won by the center-right, not the socialists) and ever since (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_transition_to_democrac...).
"At its latest, the Transition is said to have ended with the first peaceful transfer of executive power, after the victory of the Spanish Socialist Workers' Party (PSOE) in the 1982 general election."
That's where I got the date from. I guess I don't consider a country to be democratic until there's been at least one election where the previously elected government agreed to leave.
The Transition, but not the Dictatorship, very different.
EDIT: original reply way too turgid
> What should _really_ concern the powers that be is that Europe has become a place to sell things, not make them.
Has China legislated itself into digital irrelevancy? Is China just a place to sell things but not make them? It's internet policies are objectively bad in many ways, but they've proven that you don't need to cater to FAANG to have a thriving tech ecosystem.
Similarly, taxing companies that go to every possible extent to avoid it and hardly pay any taxes even though they are some of the largest companies in the world is hardly being "obsessed with finding ways to tax US internet giants as much as they can".
I think a large reason for the lack of large European IT companies is the language and small/segmented markets problem.
It's natural to start with your home country/market since that is were you are, were you have market insight, connections to get things going, .... But in Europe you have many countries with different languages, different currencies, tax schemes, regulations, and very different levels of income and prosperity. Expansion / internationalization is often a very cumbersome step by step process.
Compared to the US where you have a large demographic with a single language, somewhat more unified regulation, and a big ecosystem of startups, things are a lot more challenging.
Stricter employment protection and regulation in general, and the lack of the achievement and entrepreneurial culture certainly play a role though.