Comment by Theodores | Hacker News Reader

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Don't be so facile about China. It makes you sound like you only know how to suckle at the teat of mainstream Western media.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones:

How many young black Americans are in jail, on parole or awaiting trial?

Which country has the most people in prison, by percentage or gross total?

What about Hawaiian rights? How did that sovereign country become a U.S. state exactly?

How do these remote regions of China stack up compared to NATO's narco state of Afghanistan?

The narrative about Tibet you know is what the CIA told you to believe. The British invaded the place once, maybe you would prefer the place to be a British colony, open to the Western corporations and therefore 'free'?

The story of China and Tibet is not something you have any meaningful knowledge of. Everything you say about Chinese people and them thinking themselves as superior with some divine right to rule can be said about people in Washington, London and Tel Aviv.

Too many red herrings to follow up but how about the implied assertion that a huge proportion of jailed Americans are there solely because of their age and skin color? If true then this does indeed sounds likes a horrific mega-scandal that screams for redress rather than, for instance, the pursuance of issues relating to possible interference in the last election. Question of priorities!

By the way you forgot to mention the thousands of executions that take place in China according to Amnesty International. Exact figures are kept secret of course. How does that stack up with the US?

I am Indian, and I know precisely the story of Tibetans. There are many of them living in India now since they've lost their homes. China invaded India twice, so don't think I don't know Chinese superiority complex.

Of course there are nutcases everywhere, but nowhere else a government this powerful has a mandate to undermine human rights at a global level without any opposition from their own people. CCP is following a racist genocidal agenda with full support of a majority of their people, and they won't stop at the Uighurs or tibetans.

Most young black Americans are in jail for drug related offenses, which could warrant the death penalty in China.

Also your argument is completely: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Wow, I am speechless. If majority of China thinks this way, we are in for a very wild ride in near future.

This is right out of the CCP bullshit arguments textbook. They automatically assume that you are an American, and state that you have no idea of what you're talking about since you are brainwashed by the "western mainstream media." The blatant projection here is laughable since the Chinese are the ones censored and brainwashed by their govt.

Another thing they love to bring up is the black prison population in the States to compare it to Chinese prison camps where people are thrown in forever without any trials. Atleast in America, they can protest and hold lawmakers accountable by voting them out. Any meaningful argument with these guys is pointless since they are just govt mouthpieces.

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I will address your last point since all the things before that are presumptious babble. Regardless of history of law in China, Chinese prison camps and internment camps are well-documented.

Doing flamewars like you did in this thread will get you banned here, so please don't do it again.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

judging from the Chinese I personally know I'm fairly sure they do!

fwiw not just China, many Europeans (and nearly all Russians) I know think this way too. I too fall into that trap from time to time (either lashing out at the US, or China as a result). It's all pointless waste of breadth in the end. The problem from my perception is that the US is a superpower which faces difficulty in this new information age covering all its crimes the way it did 30 or 50 years ago. News of wrong-doing (which all governments do) spread like wildfire and are amplified by foreign propaganda (whether it's this article or FVEY member Australia screaming its head off about the natsec risks posed by Huawei - "screaming on behalf of the US" to amplify the message).

The beauty of Wikileaks, and twitter is that we can see the real faces of the players and their agenda (in every country). And it isn't pretty at all. In US case, news about secret prisons, (black sites), gitmo, Abu-Ghraib etc are much more depressing (than if we learn about such things happening by the hands of China). Maybe because the US is the strongest player and has sold itself (through hollywood) as a liberator and we want to see them as good. Or even a role model ... Instead we got corporations and lobbyists controlling who gets to play war. People like Trump/Bolton/Pence don't exactly portray the US in a positive light. Not long ago it was Bush/Wolfowitz/Rice/Cheney (even worse) and Obama did nothing to curb surveillance and incarceration of minorities. Obama had an easy job in regard to foreign policy. All he had to do is "not be Bush" - that's how much Bush was hated in Europe.

I'm not having a go at the US. To me any nation state sucks. But if somebody starts a conversation with me today and has an American accent, I'm now quick trying to find out who they're backing - just so I know what kind of level of crazy it is that I'm dealing with.

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