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I have to say, I'm extremely disappointed by the pricing. It doesn't seem any cheaper than AWS's managed SQL offering (through Lightsail), nor cheaper than Cloud SQL.

I'm trying to run a side project at a low rate, which is usually why I go to DigitalOcean - it's much cheaper, than, say, spinning up a bunch of Heroku dynos. In fact, I just moved a project from Heroku to DO to go from a $14/mo hosting bill to $5/mo on the cheapest VPS.

My one problem has been Postgres - I don't want to self-manage a database. However, Cloud SQL is ~$9/mo at the cheapest, and RDS/Lightsail are both $15/mo at the cheapest. I'd really been hoping that DO would provide a lower-cost alternative.

I'm really sad that the pricing structure doesn't bring managed databases down to hobby-tier. I don't even want a free offering; I'm happy to pay gig of space for $5/mo to run in perpetuity, with restrictions on backup retention or something.

Right now, if I'm an actual startup or even bootstrapped company with money, I see _zero_ reason to use DO's offering over your more-established competitors, and as a hobbyist user, I can't justify spending money on it for a no-income side project.

At the point you care about backups and standby nodes, you're already sort of outside the cheapo hobby tier.

As for getting the $5/month option: Digitalocean Droplets have a 1-click Dokku install, and you can use https://github.com/dokku/dokku-postgres to instantly pop up a postgres instance.

That's kind of fair. I've been doing some thinking since posting this, and I've been sort of debating what a "reasonable $5/mo version" of this would be. The more I think about what managed database services usually entail, the more I concede that my original request probably isn't really a viable product (unless it was a "free tier"-style loss leader). Like, disk space and bandwidth aren't really the primary cost involved.

I think what I really want is managed backups that live outside of my box, and the ability quickly restore from one if my database crashes or becomes unusable. I think automated failover to another node may not be a reasonable ask for such a cheap product.

Of course, at that point: I could spin up a 1GB DigitalOcean volume for $0.10/mo, and set up scripts to run `pg_dump` every couple hours, clean the volume of older backups to free up space, and ideally a script to reset the database to a given volume. _That's all stuff I don't want to do_, but maybe someone's built a reusable set of scripts for it or something - that Dokku container is promising as a starting point, though I'm a little annoyed it only works with S3(-compatible).

Dokku is a management platform kinda like a self-hosted Heroku.

I've used it instead of Flynn in the past with a lot of success.

Edit: If S3 is the problem, backup to a minio instance on your dokku (https://github.com/slypix/minio-dokku)

I suppose I could also use DO's Spaces, which is S3-compatible, though also has an annoying minimum (I do not need the 250 gigs you get for $5/mo) https://www.digitalocean.com/products/spaces/

> At the point you care about backups and standby nodes, you're already sort of outside the cheapo hobby tier

WTF? Why would anyone ever not care about backups?

Was about to chime in the same... dokku is great for the hobbiest/cheapish tiers... I wouldn't go below a $10/mo instance, but you can throw a surprising amount of work at it at the lower end.

Why would you be afraid to self-manage a database for a side project? It isn't very hard to install and run, especially if you don't need to tune the system for massive load.

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