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If that's the case, then they should probably start by offering something better for all currently supported OSes and versions.

Windows 7 is still supported and only runs IE11, no Edge

Windows 10 LTSB is still supported and only runs IE11, no Edge

If you need to support any of those OSes, there's no way around supporting IE11.

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Windows 7 currently has less than a year of support (January 14th, 2020 is D-Day), and given the free upgrade having been available, and the improved security and performance, there is no legitimate reason to be on Windows 7 today.

LTSB is not intended for computers which browse the web. It's very specifically only intended for things like embedded platforms like computers operating medical devices. Aka, things that require the Windows kernel to run, and insane platform stability, and literally like nothing else. Business users who need a desktop should be running Enterprise, which does allow you to disable all the things most Windows installs don't, but is far more capable than LTSB.

In one of my companies, of the windows machines, half are Win7, half are Win10...

Often we wish we could buy Win7 to delete the Win10 on the Win10 machines.

Win10 somehow, is less reliable, often doing weird things, updating without permission, sending strange data out, have security update that kill half of our online bank apps, our another update that make the keyboard stop working, or nag about Cortana at same time Cortana is not available in our country, show ads, etc...

The only reason the Win10 machines are still Win10 is because Win10 was part of the deal when buying said machines...

If Windows is updating without permission in one of your companies, there's an issue with whoever manages IT for that company. Even without an Enterprise license, it's trivial for a domain environment to control update behavior. Group policy handles the majority of these concerns easily.

Even if you could install Windows 7, you would be very mistaken in doing so, as it would put your company at significantly greater risk. Even while security updates are still available, the differences in the platform already lead to scenarios where large malware infections tend to be almost entirely on machines which weren't running Windows 10.

I agree. I always read these horror stories about windows, specifically win10, and I have just had a completely different experience. On personal machines, work machines, servers, large deployments, domain controlled and not ... I’ve just never had these problems.

To be clear: I've encountered plenty of issues on Windows 10. But most have been addressed, the rest can be managed if you know what you're doing, and running out of date operating systems is not a safe or viable way to operate, especially as a business.

If someone really just doesn't like Windows 10, my advice is to switch to Linux. Continuing to run obsolete operating systems just isn't okay. :)

Windows 7 lives longer if you’re willing to pay Microsoft a hefty sum: https://www.techspot.com/news/78629-microsoft-reveals-how-mu...

I'm no win10 hater but doesn't ltsb do everything that win7 can?

There will be soon: https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/6/18128648/microsoft-edge-c...

The bigger problem is that Edge does not, and never will, support ActiveX.

That’s a feature not a bug. Evan Microsoft wants users off ActiveX, if only to promote Azure.

How does ActiveX absence promote azure? You mean newer version of exchange?

Maybe their new Chromium based Edge browser will, since Chrome presumably still supports all of those.

I have a feeling the reason Edge isn't available on Windows 7 is not because it doesn't run but because they intended for Edge to be one more reason to upgrade to Windows 10.

If that's the case, there's zero reason to assume that they will let their Chromium based Edge run on Windows 7 either.

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Microsoft is now building a Chromium-powered version of its Edge browser that will be available for testing in the coming weeks. It’s being decoupled from Windows 10, and businesses will be able to install Edge on Windows 7 or Windows 8.

MSFT: Please allow us to install former Trident-based edge as a separate browser.

Windows is not nearly as important to them as it once was, and this is starting to show. They are killing support for all of their browsers, and they don't really care if your app needs 11 or your user can't use edge.

Probably offer something better=new skin of chrome or go fuck yourself - microsoft

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