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I guess it's time for all those HN people who were moaning about iPhones being too big/expensive/lacking in home buttons/etc... to put their money where their mouths are.

It's a 2016 model, so it should remain supported until at least 2021. Not far off, but still better than some (many?) Android phones.

I'm not sure how $299/128GB compares to Android products, but it's cheaper than its previous $449 price.

I'd pick one up myself, except that I have a 5 that keeps on chugging along.

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they have put their money where their mouths are...the linked iPhone SE is already sold out, despite it just being an hour since this article was posted

i really want one, i wish i saw this sooner

edit: its still available in other colors, its not sold out yet,,

the linked iPhone SE is already sold out, despite it just being an hour since this article was posted

Hopefully that's a strong enough signal to be noticed at a meeting inside Apple.

+1. I would love to see an updated SE too.

I do think that unless there's someone actively looking for signals, they won't, but I do hope the lackluster sales on their newer models has them giving the market the SE targeted a second look.

> It's a 2016 model, so it should remain supported until at least 2021.

According to [1], customers "may obtain service and parts from Apple or Apple service providers for 5 years after the product is no longer manufactured" -- not from when the model was first manufactured.

The 32/128 GB models were manufactured from 2017-2018, so these should be supported until 2023.

[1]: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624

I think he means “iOS supported”.

Well seeing that the iPhone 5s from 2013 is still supported in 2019, I don’t see any reason that the SE/6S won’t get support until 2021.

That’s what reaperducer said (“it should remain supported until at least 2021”), while ken says that getting parts and service should be possible until 2023.

$250/32 is barely competitive. however, you cannot buy an android phone this small that isn't complete garbage

I've been using SE for the past 2 years and it is perfect for its price and I have a plan to at least use it for another year too. Its fluid animation and acceptable performance make it way superior to most Android phones. I switched from Nexus 5 and I am not going to buy any Android phone until Google guarantees I am going to get OS+Security updates for at least 4 years.

The only security feature I really want is a preinstalled user-configurable firewall.

Keeps your system firewalled and your apps sandboxed and there's less of a need for constant OS patches.

But it's notable that even 'privacy first' Apple doesn't ship a firewall because that would interfere with the market for ad-supported apps.

Configuring a firewall sounds like the opposite of the ease of use Apple wants to be associated with the App Store. Doubt that will ever be preinstalled.

I believe you could theoretically install one on iOS using the VPN functionality available... a quick google only finds “guardian mobile firewall” which is still in beta though.

Motorola has a few that are good, clean and in that range

All of them are a full inch larger in screen and most even larger in bezel.

Some people will never be pleased.

When Lenovo came out with that throwback laptop the HN thread was full of curmudgeons nitpicking every little detail they thought was wrong about the retro laptop they always said they wanted Lenovo to make. The same thing would happen if somebody made a new small premium phone. Such people are impossible to please and there isn’t much point trying.

The main problem with that throwback laptop was the horrible battery life. 3 hours rated life might have been acceptable in the early 2000s, but nowadays, that's weak.

Combine that with the price ($1900 MSRP) and you have a device that comes off as a cynical, overpriced money-grab directed at the retro aesthetic crowd, especially considering that it's basically a slight upgrade of the T470.

It wasn't a bad machine. In fact, it got above-average reviews. Still, something really burns about being so close to perfection and making unforced errors that keep them under the line.

It was also retro in the wrong ways - 7th gen dual-core "i7" when the 8th gen with 15W real ones was out (or at most around the corner), and an underpowered last-gen CPU.

People wanted something that wasn't just retro, but a true classic in other respects as well.

> Some people will never be pleased.

If the main ask is that the phone be small, the phone being over an inch larger than specification hardly seems unreasonable to complain about.

$250 isn't a good price. The SE/32 was advertised and sold for $79 at WalMart on Black Friday 2018 and was advertised and sold for $99 at WalMart on Black Friday 2017. Both times no-contract.

How much does it sell for at walmart now?

Those are door buster sales.

Anyways, I looked it up - they were also carrier locked to walmart mobile, a mvno in which the price of the phone is subsidized.

> Those are door buster sales.

Not correct at all and why do you have to make a fake new account to post your false troll?

WalMart for several years has been maintaining sufficient stock for advertised black friday items. They had sufficient stock for everyone that wanted one, and they also were selling it online as well on Black Friday with free shipping.

I bought FOUR and gave them to friends and family. I use mine as a camera, mp3 player, and portable web browser and have never paid an additional cent for it.

I googled it. Maybe the results were misleading.

So, you're saying that the phone you bought you didn't use as a phone? Hmmm....

Also, this isn't a fake account. I don't think anything I've posted was intended to troll.

Using a Motorola G3 since something like 4 years (maybe 5? not sure). I paid less than 200 euros for it (150 iirc) and with a factory reset just today, it runs great. It is acceptably small (5") and seems unbreakable: never had a cover and drop it sometimes like a normal person, yet not a sign of a crack on the screen.

So yes, you can buy an android that isn't garbage. Some are, definitely, but with just a bit of research you'll find good phones.

If you are into iPhones I think that $299 is a great price, even compared to Android phones.

I bought an Xperia X Compact in 2016 and I hope it will keep going for many years. The new Xperia Compact models are larger and heavier. Not really so compact anymore.

Hauwei Honor: $250 128GB new

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Global-Version-Huawei-Honor-...

cant really compare global edition prices to us phones, since the global editions don't pay qualcomm.

6.5" , no headphone jack

I’m curious how your 5 “keeps chugging along” - even a year ago my 5s was sluggish (not to mention battery lasted half a day) and the responsiveness of an X in comparison was night and day

iOS 12 gave em a new lease of life.

iPhone 5 cannot run iOS 12.

poster indicated 5s, which IIRC can run ios12.

They are out of stock now.

I own 2 already, not sure I can justify a third.

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