On the flip side the software a bit slow to start and uses a lot of resources—it’s based on Electron, but I encourage everyone to try it (the demo on their website is cool!).
This is as close to “painting the back of the fence” as it gets.
On the flip side the software a bit slow to start and uses a lot of resources—it’s based on Electron, but I encourage everyone to try it (the demo on their website is cool!).
This is as close to “painting the back of the fence” as it gets.
To be honest, nothing we are doing is that new. Most of the ideas came from the 70s-80s (Alan Kay, Doug Engelbart, Ted Nelson...) We are just applying a fresh coat of paint.
Of course, there's still a lot more to be done to fully realize these pioneers' dreams of computing as a medium for everyone – not just programmers like us. If you are interested to learn more or work with us, feel free to message me directly at ivan at makenotion.com, or link below. We are happy to host you for lunch: https://www.notion.so/notion/Join-Us-e7aeb157238a4603a2964b2...
Have a good one! Ivan
- while the browser-based webapp is mostly fine, the mobile apps feel really subpar and somewhat out of place on iPad and iPhone alike: Sluggish, slow animations, inconsistent keyboard behavior, unnecessarily large fullscreen modals on iPad - it's very noticeable that it isn't a native app. It feels like a second class citizen. I'd like to make Notion a central part of my daily, essential tools - similarly to an app like Things. Unfortunately the difference in user experience is night and day. Please consider developing native apps.
- this is a very minor issue, but since I often use Notion as a note taking tool the rigid separation of paragraphs into multiple isolated content blocks is rather annoying. It leads to side effects like "Select all" on iOS actually not select all, but just the current block/paragraph. I think text, regardless of the number of paragraphs or format, should be one single block until it's actually interrupted by inline data structures like tables or galleries.
Other than that I love the idea of your service, which can turn a blank canvas into a simple text document or a fully featured Airtable-like application, or anything inbetween.
I like the model they use that everything is a block - you get predictable behaviour, but I do think the normal shortcut for select all should select a page, and that I should be able to select text from multiple paragraphs using keyboard commands (if you do ctrl+shift+arrow you get stuck at the edge of a block).
Ivan
It is impressive that your work is directly on top of the work done by the guy who invented the mouse, the guy who invented smalltalk and so on. Are you sure there were no inventions in between?
That Jobs-ism was specifically about caring about the internals of a product that nobody looks at, but you know are there.
The Steve Jobs quip about painting the back of the fence sought to explain why the Apple II and Mac teams cared so much about the inside of the box and even signed it. It's why they invested so much in the OS X internals and stuck with a native focus that helped iOS be so fast and nimble out of the gate on extremely resource-constrained mobile devices. That's "painting the back of the fence."
It is a very distinct concept from focusing on user-visible details, which I think is what you're referencing here. That's still the front of the fence. Back of the fence is the fine touches on the unseen internals, but reflect a general care and pride in your craft that will probably pay off in the long run.
"And while sacrifices were often made of money, time and frustration, users of Apple products often reaped the rewards."[1] This is definitely not the Electron approach. It's about taking the extra time and care to do it native. You can chose that path or not, but understand what this very important element of Apple's philosophy means because it affects so much of the past couple decades of our industry.
[1] https://thenextweb.com/apple/2011/10/24/steve-jobs-obsession...
It's not as simple as "add a flag to build linux." There's a little bit more to it.
That's why there are apps packaging websites in apps too: https://meetfranz.com
Were it not in Electron, it would most likely still have a big web widget occupying most of its frame.
You know it goes away if you buy it, right? I own Sublime and honestly the nag is so NOT-annoying that I have more than one instance of sublime where I simply haven't bothered to enter the code