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Would recommend Vue as a front end framework. It’s much simpler than the others, and every web dev I spoke to in 2018 recommended learning it.

Backend, Flask for smaller stuff, moving up to Django or maybe Go for bigger stuff.

Database Postgres.

YMMV depending on what you’re doing, but the above is a good bet if you want to make the project accessible to other programmers, and it doesn’t need to quickly scale.

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Just my experience, but every comventional web app I've worked on that used Flask ended up recreating a lot what Django does, but in a less standard way that took more time to develop and onboard new people for.

This has been my experience as well. I've been working on a solution[1] in the form of an optional-batteries-included framework built on top of Flask and SQLAlchemy (inspired by Symfony). After about a year of work, it's currently around MVP status and (biased I) thinks it's turning out pretty awesome - the docs are the biggest thing still needing improvement (working on it!).

If you or anybody else is interested, I'd love any feedback! (good or bad :)

[1] https://github.com/briancappello/flask-unchained

I have the same experience with Sinatra and Rails. A small app in Sinatra grew larger than expected so we added gems basically recreating Rails... Lesson learnt, going with rails new now!

I've had a somewhat similar experience. On the other hand, I still reach to Flask more frequently due to it's ability to integrate much more easily with SQLAlchemy, which I find vastly preferable to the Django ORM.

I don't understand Vue. Whenever I look at it, I see two way data binding, mutable state and embedded logic in DSL annotations (v-if, v-for), which are all things that React removed (for good reasons). I guess if you prefer an imperative development, it makes sense.

The biggest benefit of Vue isn't necessarily Vue itself, it's Vuex. Contrary to React, you do use the store from the start because it makes things simpler.

We are moving away from Vuex and more and more towards Apollo.

I have been hearing some really amazing things about Apollo, but it's poorly suited for the type of stuff we work on (which is fine, not all tools work for all problems).

That's the amazing thing about Vue: it's utterly void of opinions (apart from components). The ecosystem of stores (there's also the functional one) is testament to Vue achieving elegance through simplicity.

Have you seen React Hooks? I do not believe Vue is better than that.

I can use pug with Vue, it's make my code more beautify. This is why I moved form Vue -> React -> Vue.

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