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Comment by jimijazz | Hacker News Reader

Totally agree about going to the self-hostable path. I would add as an alternative, looking for non-US products, maybe from neutral countries.

As someone mentioned in the twitter thread, this could happen to any product: Google, Facebook, even taking the bus!

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"Neutral" countries also have to conform to sanctions; Switzerland is mentioned a few times but "the sanctions regime in place is based on the Federal Act on the Implementation of International Sanctions" and "Does Switzerland implement UN sanctions? - Yes."

https://sanctionsguide.eversheds-sutherland.com/countries/sw...

I get the impression that neutral in this case is being confused with some libertarian / anarchist / lawless utopia.

Interesting, I didn't know that. I guess that makes the self hosted path the only safe and sustainable path for managing one's information.

Neutral countries? What’s a neutral country?

It's Switzerland.

yes. are there any Swiss technological developments? are there any other neutral countries?

Switzerland hosts, among other things, the EFPL, which does a great deal of technlogical achievement. The EFPL itself leads the Scala language development, among a lof of other stuff !

I'm not familiar with other countries as neutral as Switzerland which has a successful track record of staying neutral during two world wars on their borders, but I suspect there should be actually quite some. I _think_ that for example Kazakhstan is currently trying to follow a similar neutral political path.

Costa Rica is another relevant example.

Wire is a Swiss Slack alternative that’s open source. Do note the comment close to this one mentioning that Switzerland would also have to comply with the sanctions.

ProtonMail, maybe.

Switzerland?

Switzerland

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