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is it no thanks I don't want to go to kite.com because they spy or no thanks I don't want programming suggestions from people who spy?

Yes.

“Both” is better way to put it.

any cloud company is spying for you? google, amazon, microsoft, apple...? you might want to give up hacker news too then...

Here, just use an archive https://archive.fo/ixt4n .. damn.