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It's the same answer for why so many more bicyclists are killed by cars in America than Europe. We need protected lanes that are separated from cars by more than paint.

https://peopleforbikes.org/blog/14-ways-to-make-bike-lanes-b...

It's a lot simpler for bicycles and scooters to live side by side than either of them with cars.

Some basics like safety standards for rented transportation are even easier.

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I ride my bike in sf and oakland where these scooters are common, and I do not like the idea of sharing an enclosed lane with them. so many people riding them are completely inexperienced and bad at passing and turning or otherwise uninterested in the general flow of traffic. they are a nuisance and I do not want to share a lane with them that I can't swerve out of. I honestly don't want them in bike lanes at all.

Are you against new cyclists using bike lanes as well? Inexperienced riders are a hazard on any form of transportation.

no, inexperienced cyclists are fairly predictable and practically never ride on busy city streets. they are not at all a problem for me.

Your suggestion may not be that simple. Consider Florida statute s. 316.2065 (11) "No person upon roller skates, or riding in or by means of any coaster, toy vehicle, or similar device, may go upon any roadway except while crossing a street on a crosswalk;"

Laws generally exist for a reason, and some reason forbids scooters from the bike lanes. Bike lanes are for bikes only.

> Laws generally exist for a reason

Laws need to be updated as the world changes and that's a really bad reason to justify one.

There is also a lot of hate for scooters right now, at least in the Bay Area, I was riding one yesterday and made a right turn signal, moved a lane over and promptly got honked at by the car I merged in front of, there was a good 20 feet still between us and traffic was going ~20. Granted a ton of scooter riders are 14 years old and ride like total idiots so I understand the frustration, but they are definitely not given the same respect cyclists are.

  moved a lane over

In other words, you were outside the bike lane?

In California, cyclists (which technically includes e-scooters) have the legal right to use the full road - I believe this is true in many US states. There also aren’t bike lanes on most CA streets, even in San Francisco.

  (which technically includes e-scooters)

False, under both current law and the new law taking effect in January[0].

[0] https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtm...

it's a lot simpler to control a bike.

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