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Exactly. C programmers don't define themselves as C programmers mainly. They are firmware developers, game developers or something else. That's where their real interest is.

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I've been to C++ conferences. If Scott Meyers, Herb Sutter, or Andrei Alexandrescu were on the ticket, I know it would easily be worth it.

It's like how they have hamburger restaurants, where you can ask for a hamburger without the pickle, instead of having hamburger without pickle restaurants. C is the burger, bacon, bun, lettuce, tomato, onions and sauces, and ++ is the pickle.

I think you swapped the complexity that each language provides. If C is anything, it's the patty, and C++ literally everything else that makes up the burger.

> C++ literally everything else that makes up the burger.

"Oh, you wanted mayo on your burger? We can do that, but you also have to have mustard. Don't worry, you won't have to pay for it.. but it's going to be in there."

On the other hand, with C you get the mustard on your burger because there was already some the plate and no one bothered to clean it.

And ketchup and ranch and oyster sauce and a pizza and a slice of cheese cake and a jackhammer

So much mustard. Like the best games of Clue.

As if C didn't come with features nobody wanted. At least C11 half dropped VLAs again.

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