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So it's fair to rib my American friends with the fact that Imperial is implemented using metric?

I like to commend my American friends for their undying loyalty to the memory of the Empire. U.S. customary units are derived from units that helped the British conquer the world, but even the British themselves have shamelessly abandoned them for the units of a filthy, monarch-less republic. It's good to see that Americans still subconsciously yearn for the firm ruling hand of their rightful Queen.

Note: Americans hate it when I do this.

It just doesn't have the same ring to it.

"He won't move an inch," or "He won't move a centimeter."

"She won't quit until she's six feet under," or "She won't quit until she's two meters under."

"I'll go the whole nine yards," or "I'll go the whole nine meters."

"You can see for miles and miles," or "You can see for kilometers and kilometers."

I need you to understand that those phrases are still used all the time in English speaking countries that have adopted the metric system.

Changing your scientific measuring system doesn't necessitate a change to your colloquialisms; commonly used phrases don't change.

In case you are not joking... in metric countries we still say the same sentences you say, with miles and inches. That doesn't mean we use the olde units to actually measure something...

Well, then you are welcome for us keeping the more poetic units alive and meaningful.

Sorry, but no. They are just our old units that stuck in everyday language. They are probably not even closer to yours than yours are to antique Egypt ones, given that they were not internationally standardized and merely referenced the same body parts.

And we have expressions including other old units that you don't have (lieu, arpent, toise, etc.).

Not really --- in some languages these sayings actually are already in metric units. The SI system is by now over hundred years old, so just by waiting probably will upgrade unit system also there.

In Russian you still have people using colloquialisms and idioms with units that were put out of use almost a century ago, yet everyone here gets the meaning (or at least the intent, which is what matters in the contexts they are used in) since they have stayed in the literature written centuries ago and of course nobody went out of their way to fix measurements in works of fiction.

Heck, most people using them don't even have a rough idea of how much they originally meant, and if you were to press them to give you a number for the sake of an experiment, they might be 2 orders of magnitude off.

https://en.wikipedia.org/Obsolete_Russian_units_of_measureme...

Yes, that's true. Another argument my American coworker had put forth: "American rock-n-roll needed Imperial units... or the lyrics would not work".

I think there's a serious point to what you're saying. I was bought up in the UK so I have metres for short distances and miles for long distances. If you say to me 5 miles I instantly know what you mean. If you say 8km, I have an academic understanding but not really an intuitive feel for what you mean (other than 8km=5mi, feel 5mi).

That's just familiarity though. People in countries that primarily use kilometers have the same intuitions about them.

I doubt that in practice an average person would be able to (reasonably) accurately differentiate between 4 miles and 5 miles or 6km and 8km without external measurement tools in an unfamiliar environment.

The heuristics at play that the human brain would use is likely: "5 miles is way more than I'd normally want to walk on my feet, since the trip would take me about 2 hours."

As our metric British friends say at the end of a long day: "Ah, I can't wait to get down to the pub and have my hard-earned 568.261 ml!"

But Brits haven't completely abandoned them, have they? Maybe for educational, scientific and in manufacturing industries it's all metric but they still seem to use a blend of imperial and metric for day to day stuff. The distance is in miles, speed in miles/hr, they use lbs as well and deg.F from time to time (mostly deg.C tho),"pints" for beer, ft and in for height etc.

Your friends don't like it when you invent reasons to antagonize them? How odd!

I was born and raised in the US and I don't think I've ever met someone who has any sort of complex about the British Empire, or who would be any more insulted by "you should be ruled by the Queen" than "you should be ruled by the President of Uruguay" (or any other random country). The US was last part of the British Empire before most of our ancestors came to this country.

Honestly your comment, assuming it is meant to be taken seriously, strikes me as bizarre, and I suspect you're misinterpreting your American friends' reactions.

That's some well metered ribbing. No worries. We can take it.

> metered

Ah!

*British themselves have shamelessly abandoned most of them, most of the time, when convenient

Our King wears no clothes. We desperately could use a Queen and some manners right about now.

As of today, they are both implemented using fundamental constants. ;-)

But indeed, most people worldwide are surprised when you tell them that there is no standard inch or standard pound sitting in a vault somewhere. Most machines, and most design software, have a button that switches between US and metric, and the machine itself doesn't care. More and more new products in the US use metric fasteners unless it's for something where a standard applies to exactly one thing, such as spark plug thread. I have used my metric tools more than my US tools in the process of doing repairs around the house, on my car, and my bikes.

One fastener on my bike uses Whitworth threads.

For all intents and purposes, it has ceased to matter.

Nope, because we don't use the Imperial system, though. We use American Standard Units. They happen to be just like the Imperial units, except they have more freedom.

Only if we can rib on you for using imperial machining standards and imperial pipe thread forms.

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