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> People who lived in areas without fish also lived in areas without algae.

The point is that EPA and DHA is not made by fish. EPA and DHA can be bought in vegan form. EPA and DHA are not even considered as essential fatty acids. Unlike ALA and LA.

I have not seen any study what shows that ALA and LA are not essential. If you have one, please link it. I would like to know.

> And linseed oil consumption is correlated with an increase in all cause mortality.

Link please.

> Or switching from perfectly safe saturated fats to "heart healthy" trans fats even though it increases mortality.

What are you talking about ? Are yout talking about margerine and butter ?

But I agree that many so called experts are not experts.

Many organizations and in particular government organizations (e.g. EPA and FDA in the USA) affected by politicians are very prone to corruption and pleasing corrupting lobby groups like the food industry and the military industry and the fossil fuel industry.

But some truth is known in 2018.

https://livinontheveg.com/omnivore-or-herbivore/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl8zNztsoGg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCMWctmCCqU&t=432

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLrSGiXTX6Im72KTZRDln...

>The point is that EPA and DHA is not made by fish

But that point is not relevant to the post you replied to, which was wondering aloud about human adaptation to the availability of fish. The availability of algae is the same as the availability of fish.

>I have not seen any study what shows that ALA and LA are not essential.

Have you seen one that shows it is? Because there are none.

>Link please.

I can't find the original study, just people talking about it. They gave up on the original premise as the linseed oil was killing people instead of making them healthy, so they ended up reporting on smoking and blood pressure.

https://tidsskriftet.no/en/2012/01/life-expectancy-and-cause...

>But some truth is known in 2018.

But people with agendas lying on their blogs or youtube isn't truth. Pretending carnivores are omnivores and then saying "look we're not like omnivores" is just deliberate dishonesty. We are not like carnivores. We are, 100% without any question, omnivores. Read literally any text on mammology, there is no debate, no controversy, no ambiguity. Poor studies like the adventist study vegan advocates like to cite may show benefits when they don't control for anything else. But properly defined and conducted trials show veganism is not associated with lower mortality: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4691673/

> But that point is not relevant to the post you replied to

Yes it is. Remember:

>>> So is it possible some people don't really need fish oil for well-being? Evolution might have rendered eating fish useless for these people.

> But people with agendas lying on their blogs or youtube isn't truth. Pretending carnivores are omnivores and then saying "look we're not like omnivores" is just deliberate dishonesty.

Yes we can it fresh meat and digest it. Even cows can digest milk and meat to some degree; remember the mad cow disease.

The human body works best with vegan food as main food or only vegan food in 2018 with modern vitamin supplements. This is a fact.

Regarding vitamin B12: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cavI_FnIrh4 and https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5TLzNi5fYd-Tyz9vI6Q2...

I am sure you have not watched the videos because otherwise your would reply differently.

Again, human physiology that you can not deny or call a lie:

https://livinontheveg.com/omnivore-or-herbivore/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXj76A9hI-o

By far most humans do not like and do not eat raw meat.

Most humans do not even like predigested meat in the form of cooked meat or grilled meat without further additions like salt and spices and other plant based food for the taste.

>Yes it is.

No it is not, read the context you intentionally cut out: "Quite a large population in the the world lives at place where fishes aren't available".

>The human body works best with vegan food as main food or only vegan food in 2018 with modern vitamin supplements

There is no evidence to support your assertion. The fact that vitamin supplements are required in order to avoid dying is incontrovertible evidence that humans are not herbivores. Our digestive tract, dentition, and enzyme production are those of an omnivore. We have absolutely no characteristics of herbivores.

>Even cows can digest milk and meat to some degree

All mammals can digest milk, that is why all mammals produce milk. That has nothing to do with your claim. Meat fed to cattle is pre-digested in order to allow them to get some energy value from it. They can not digest it normally.

>Again, human physiology that you can not deny or call a lie:

It is a bunch of lies and deliberate nonsense. Claws do not define diet, that is a completely irrelevant characteristic to focus on. Dogs are not omnivores they are carnivores. Our closest primate relatives are omnivores just like us, not herbivores. Notice how you keep referencing vegan activists spouting nonsense on blogs and videos? That is not evidence. There is a reason every biologist in the US has read this book rather than watch vegan youtube videos: https://www.amazon.ca/Mammalogy-Adaptation-Diversity-George-...

>Most humans do not even like predigested meat in the form of cooked meat or grilled meat without further additions like salt and spices and other plant based food for the taste.

And your basis for this claim is that the vast majority of the population of earth consumes meat all the time? If lots of people choose to add additional flavorings to something they eat, then that means it isn't part of their natural diet? By that definition, the natural diet of humans is absolutely nothing, not even water.

I will not further defend the points that I have made and still make. You just call it lies and link a book that I will not buy. Probably because you can not find valid information against my standpoint on the internet.

Wolves are presented as typical carnivores in the linked video.

The web page puts dogs in the category of omnivores like many experts do or did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_food

http://www.vetstreet.com/our-pet-experts/are-dogs-carnivores...

I link these "vegan activists" because they were active to create the good videos that I can link.

I live in West-Europe and from primary school to university, the recommendation for food has always been less meat and less cheese and less fat and less candy and more vegetables including fruits and more fiber.

The benefits of a plant based or vegan diet have become only more scientifically validated and more accepted in the population. Also because of a growing acceptance that actions against climate warming and pollution and unsustainable and horrible animal farming are needed.

https://xkcd.com/1338/

http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19562864/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27886704/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21139125/

https://www.eatright.org/food/nutrition/vegetarian-and-speci...

>You just call it lies

You are literally linking to youtube videos by an infamous crank.

>link a book that I will not buy

You don't need to buy it. The point is, biology text books contradict your advocate fraud. Which is more credible?

>The web page puts dogs in the category of omnivores like many experts do or did.

Dogs are the same species as wolves.

>I live in West-Europe and from primary school to university, the recommendation for food has always been less meat and less cheese and less fat and less candy and more vegetables including fruits and more fiber.

And health problems have gotten worse. Funny how that works huh? Myocardial infarctions literally did not exist prior to the 1900s when "vegetable oil" was introduced to our diets. We consume far less animal fat than Victorians did, yet have far worse health. Hmmm.

>The benefits of a plant based or vegan diet have become only more scientifically validated and more accepted in the population.

There is no evidence to support that belief.

>Also because of a growing acceptance that actions against climate warming and pollution and unsustainable and horrible animal farming are needed.

That has nothing to do with veganism, it is a red herring vegans use to push their agenda on the back of environmentalism which people are more receptive to.

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