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The market doesn't really seem to care all that much about it. Windows is practically clean on install compared to any Android phone I've owned. My favorite in terms of pointlessness was my Samsung phone that had both Chrome and a Samsung browser based on Chromium on it, and the Samsung browser was the default. It was worse in every way than just Chrome.

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Windows is practically clean on install compared to any Android phone I've owned

My Nexus Android phones were clean. And yes, Sony etc phones are adware, but so are Sony Windows computers.

It's not really an apples-to-apples comparison though, is it? If you're talking about a clean install of Windows you should be comparing to a Nexus or Pixel.

Samsung is more like the eMachines or Packard Bell of the Android world as far as bundled crapware is concerned.

> My favorite in terms of pointlessness

I heavily disagree. The main reason google was fined by the EU was their anti-competitive monopoly abuse, forcing manufacturers to bundle all their apps. While I like chrome, its market dominance in particular on android is worrisome. Since Samsung can not offer another browser instead of chrome, but only in addition, this is the best they can do in this situation. Instead of complaining about "duplication", I applaud them for their efforts.

Unless it does. Maybe if there was no junk they could command Apple premiums for their devices and get Apple sales numbers.

Can you uninstall Apple Music from iOS devices?

Yes. I was able to delete it from my iPhone.

Yes. In fact, you can delete almost every preinstalled app on iOS devices.

Wow. I didn’t believe you. But you’re right, I just removed my music app. :o

It's fairly recent, iOS 10 or 11.

Recently got a new Samsung phone from AT&T. I'm not sure which one installed more crapware.

My favorite is I have 6 new contacts for AT&T, like "Pay My Bill".

And if you get an insurance replacement, they "make" you install their third party "Pro Tech" app, and ask you questions about what's on the home page (of the app) after installed to "verify it installed correctly".

Deflecting, excusing, irrelevant Samsung discussions...

Any large enough company can get away with customer-hostile behaviour without the market correcting it.

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