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It was designed to be hyped and cheap.

Do anyone actually believe that any car massproduced today will ever be self-driving? (Without major modification).

I'm not bashing on Model 3, I want one. But I'd rather see it didn't have any self-driving hardware in it at all. It just isn't ready for that.

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I too believe it's quite not there and won't be in a while, but sneaking the hardware on the running fleet allows to gather load of real world training data.

Are you suggesting that Teslas send a live running stream of all their sensor data while autopilot is on, including video, back to HQ and that data is then analyzed to find errors so the software can be updated? Because that's what getting value from all those cars driving around would imply.

No I am not _suggesting_ it, I am stating it. doesn't have to be a live stream either they can collect the data during servicing.

They call it shadow mode and it has been running since at least generation 2 hardware in 2016

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/09/01/new-tesla-autopilot-sof...

Nice straw-man. The cars might send summarized metrics, maybe even video snippets of extraordinary events. That provides plenty of value while being a far cry from live-streaming all sensor data including video.

I'd still be pissed if my car did that without explicit opt-in, but it doesn't have to be nearly as bad as you make it sound.

I'm not sure what metrics it would summarize though. As I understand it, self-driving systems mostly use supervised learning for feature detection. If someone isn't flagging anomalous events/detections when they happen, I'm not sure what having summarized data is buying you for the most part. (Sure if there's an actual accident. But that is hopefully a rare event.)

Self driving will work well when everyone uses a self driving car. The reason why ant colonies do not have any traffic issues is that they work together. Now imagine if all cars on the street would communicate with each other, knowing where each wants to go and when. I think the problem with self driving is the people on behind the wheel rather than the technology

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