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So, if - microsoft de-debts every developer which got into financial trouble like perhaps with US 6041345 and

- i as an independent developer who only publishes code under bsd-2-clause-license or agpl3+ or Apache or MIT-license

- can reimplement

- (arbitrarily big parts of)

- Active Directory, VFAT, FAT, NTFS, MTP, RDP so my application can interact with it, not only from Windows, but from Linux or BSD also

- and i do not have to be in the OIN club, because i have no money for it or i even do not know about it

- then i will believe this move is sincere.

Is there already a complete free C#-Compiler available for posix systems, which can be recompiled without non-free parts from microsoft?

Will their office suite in the future really support an open data standard like ODF? because they kind of ditched their own standard.

With Active Directory and Windows, they keep people from really switching to open source on the desktop. and they know it. And of course, THAT part is exempted from their OIN-Initiave.

I would like to have meaningful examples what they opensourced, what they do not primarily need for cloud, but what benefits open source in general, like on the desktop or office applications.

But i have to admit, i am really starting to hope, microsoft is only a normal company, not especially opensource-hating-one anymore. could be. time will tell. would be nice. Really hereIsMeHoping

> Is there already a complete free C#-Compiler available for posix systems, which can be recompiled without non-free parts from microsoft

Is the Apache 2 licensed Roslyn compiler not free enough for you? https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn

I feel so much compassion for the developers of Roslyn, that were dictated to "re-implement the bugs from the proprietary version in the open source version".

Can you provide a source for that? I'm interested in learning what kind of bugs would need to be re-implemented.

Check out: https://medium.com/microsoft-open-source-stories/how-microso...

further on, can be the z3 theorem prover built only with free software?

Of course.

There's still no OSS debugger.

mono has had debugging tools (including a graphical debugger in monodevelop) for like... a decade? more?

I meant from MS. Also see https://blog.jetbrains.com/dotnet/2017/02/15/rider-eap-17-nu...

MS owns xamarin now, so I think also mono?

Mono is not .NET Core.

I know it isn't.

Mono is MS.

I am talking about the .NET Core debugger, see https://blog.jetbrains.com/dotnet/2017/02/15/rider-eap-17-nu...

cool, there really seem to be steps.

further: Can i reimplement server/client functions of the caldav stack and have my own push notifications for mail?

One of my major pain points with Microsoft is the (often needless) interdependence between their proprietary products. This has the effect of MS spreading like a cancer through any org that carelessly takes on any of their technology. So far, no part of their much lauded "openess" put even a chink into this. That makes me very skeptical of their sincerity.

I believe we should not get ahead of ourselves cheering Microsoft on. So far they have not shown that they improved their overall behaviour. They just have gotten better in marketing their moves to the likes of us developers.

Agree. They are still only after market dominance as any other corporate entity is. This is evident from them burning their own office UWP apps in favour of Android and iOS. Their own marketing vision sacrificed before you, and not the first time.

that's not true at all. the entire point of .net core is to address this very issue with the .net framework.

Point of order: the OIN club is free to join. It was founded to protect Linux related businesses from Microsoft patent trolls. The requirements are (IANAL) compatible with your existing policy of releasing everything under an open source license. you can (and should) join.

Office already supports ODF, it’s necessary to bid for government work in the UK.

The ODF support is lacking. There is no official seal of approval for ODF compliance.

Yes, but not very well.

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