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Isn't US do the same shady things? but they justify them so you can live in your own bubble believing that you are better than everyone else?

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This sort of whataboutism is hardly helpful. Sure the US is no saint, but trying to equate them to what's happening in Turkey does a huge disservice to everyone suffering in Turkey and only helps whitewash a brutal dictator.

he criticize turkey based on they leader as not good place for work but he overlooked that his country is considered mush worst and yes if Turkey has dictator USA has terrorist government that allow all kind of shit and misery to innocent people based on hate and racism.

The US is not generally considered in a worse state than Turkey, saying this as a non-American who refuses to visit America.

It doesn't matter what people think, the facts it what matter and if you decide to overlook them that is your problem.

Arresting and torturing journalists and human rights workers? Nope, I don't think so.

If you define that to be the particular metric, then no. Others may define different parameters to judge the badness of what a country has done. If you feel that the US has had saintly behavior towards its own citizens or the rest of the world, pick up a history book.

Didn't US torture people at all? did you know what fucked up shit done by CIA? didn't they kill millions of innocents in stupid wars? oh i forget something you guys think your government is good because it put their people in bubble of safety while killing and torturing non Americans and supporting terrorists nations. and that all matter i live in peace but fuck everyone else.

Rules of ware are very different from laws in peaceful country. Don't mix them, please.

For example, Russia bombs and shells cities in Europe and Africa, uses chemical weapons, bombs hospitals, torture and kills civilians in their own and even in other countries, supports terrorists, spread fake news, and so on. But you can find lot of intellectuals in Moscow.

So it's ok to kill other people but not yours?

> the same shady things

In one word, no

Indeed. The U.S. has tons of problems - more than most western countries, and I wouldn't live there, but it's nowhere near the problems of Turkey, which is down towards places like China and Khazakstan on the repressive regime list

https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/freedom-world-... is a good starting point

To other nations which they were mush worst. and more evil.

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