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I call bullshit. Which stuff are you referring to, exactly? How long have you used Opera for, and what features can you name/describe off the top of your head?

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Tools->Mail and Chat accounts? rly? I thought the idea of an all in one internet behemoth died with Netscape Communicator.

Opera Unite? what? why? I just want a web browser. I don't want a web server or file sharing solution.

This is the main reason I don't run Opera apart from testing - I just want a fast small browser. Also I find the UI and rendering to look cluttered and a bit second rate.

Great to see Opera is getting websocket though: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/10/11/websockets

Hardly a behemoth since I can run more tabs on Opera at the same time than on any other browser. Granted, I have quite an old computer but it's perfect for spotting differences between browsers. For others this is probably not an issue.

I use the mail client for my GMail and RSS feeds. Try it and tell me if you notice anything wrong with it. Actually I've been using the integrated client for so long that my perception about stand-alone mail clients is that they're a thing of the past. I guess it's just a matter of perspective, but for me it's far more convenient to open my browser and not think about checking my mail (it lets me know if new mail has arrived).

I don't use Opera Unite and nobody is forcing me to. It just stays out of my way, and so do the other features. Keep only what you like; just because they're there if you need them doesn't mean they slow you down.

I agree @ stand alone mail clients, but I'm betting on webapps. GMail really is a great webapp.

Opera Unite is actually seriously awesome. Faster sharing than uploading somewhere or sending through skype. You can give a person access to some photos without the whole internet seeing it, without having to upload lots of huge pictures or without using the crappy facebook uploader

If you have friends that use Opera, I expect so.

No, they don't need Opera. It is basically a webserver (with js) in a browser - you enable unite, enable file sharing and copy a operaunite.com url to a friend and that's it. Why don't you try it :)

Man, Opera fans sure are aggressive.

I don’t really know what Opera has to offer and I don’t really know why I should. If Opera is unable to get the message across to someone like me then good luck reaching the rest of humanity.

I obviously have Opera on my system but I haven’t opened it for weeks or months. All I see when I open it are non-native controls and features I don’t need and use (those icons in the status bar for example). I prefer something lean and minimal like Chrome or Safari.

Maybe you really need that feature that only Opera has – use Opera and be happy! Just don’t expect that the rest of humanity is exactly like you.

How am I aggressive? Sorry for the slang I used, too much reddit in my system; I did not mean it to be offensive. Other than that, I am asking an honest question. If you don't know that a feature exists (and Opera has a lot of features but it doesn't shove them in your face) how exactly do you know you don't need it.

Obviously Opera has crap marketing but that's because it assumes intelligent users that will bother to take 10 seconds and read about its features.

Here, if you want a quick fix: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opera_browser_features

You say you prefer something lean and minimal. How exactly is Opera slow and bloated by comparison? If you haven't used it for a couple of weeks and learned what it can do I think you're passing judgment too easily. Opera has a lot of great stuff other browser don't have, you just need to be a bit curios and not wait the information to be spoon-fed to you.

I don't have a problem with you or anyone else using another browser but I don't like people saying things without full knowledge of the facts.

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