https://mobile.twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/10254378067752...
In fact someone changed those tweets from “white males” to something else and got banned from Twitter.
That legal system deliberately doesn't place restrictions on platforms like twitter - might I similarly suggest that you should consider that there was a great deal of thought put into that deliberate omission. If a platform like twitter supports free speech as thoughtfully considered by the American legal system, they are acting consistently with that if they deplatform people like Alex Jones. An example of them not acting consistently with that would be taking government direction on silencing users.
>And after that "massive amount of thought" there was no legal restriction put on companies that "deplatform" users like Alex Jones. Go figure.
Both examples should have been banned. One was just as bad as the other - one of them just had less reach. However, only one was suspended. The other was actually rewarded for her racist tweets, both with new followers among those who agreed with her racist views on her never-suspended Twitter account, and with a shiny new job at the NYT. On what planet is that a reasonable, unbiased outcome?
The bottom line is, nobody should be giving those that wish to spew hate speech a large platform with which to do it - regardless of who that hate is directed at.
Edit: The fact that a comment with this sentiment has been downvoted says everything one needs to know about how toxic HN has become.
And yes, if saying that nobody should be given a megaphone with which to spew hateful rhetoric gets downvotes, that is an indication of the toxicity of HN.
Ok, now imagine your child has been shot and then someone says you're a liar, and that since their death people keep showing up at your house and church calling you a liar. Do you think you'd be more or less upset by this?
Yes, I specifically was indeed very upset by Jeong's speech, as any other human should be (apparently you were not). Nobody should be saying those things about any race, period. Arguably, some of her tweets also called for violence. Her favorite hashtag - "#CancelWhitePeople" - calls for the elimination of white people from the planet.
You're going to try to stick to your argument, but there's no winning this one. Calling for the elimination of an entire race of people is just as bad if not worse than making some ridiculous assertions about a mass shooting being a hoax.
Apparently a lot of people weren't because she still has a job at the New York Times. Clearly your belief that humans should be upset isn't reflected in society or reality.
Your view that you'd be more upset at someone You and I never heard of before this outrage saying white people should be "Cancelled" (lol) than someone deliberately accusing you that you lied about the death of your child is, simply, ridiculous.
So, this discussion is over, since I refuse to engage with people that endorse racists or racist statements of any kind. Have a nice life.
I am not endorsing what she said, I simply don't care about it. I'm white. At least, by later definitions of white. By Huxley's original definition my Scottish ethnicity doesn't qualify :)
I have a lot of sympathy for the parents of dead children though.
I hope you learned something. Bye!
Its vile and stupid but how is it harmful?
Really hard to google for this due to so much media coverage. Do you have a citation?
I am not defending A.Jones but ppl say this but I've never found any evidence to this.
> He was arrested on May 30, and the signs were found in his home.[59] Truelove was convicted of the theft and sentenced to 12 months in prison.[60]
> Mills entered an Alford plea and was thus found guilty; he was given a suspended sentence of one year in jail and two years' probation.
> Lucy Richards, a 57-year-old woman from Tampa, was charged with four counts of transmitting threats in interstate commerce for sending death threats to Lenny Pozner,
So system is working as designed. no?
Is this not enough deterrent for people to not harass people ?
Do you think these three incidents from 4 years ago warrant killing free speech. Do you think these are instances serious enough to sacrifice free speech? They don't even look that much of a big deal based on the sentences given out.
Even if you do think this is all the harassment that has happened, the continued coverage means more harassment is likely. Next time the death threats may not be caught in time.
Thats some strange logic. You have to weigh pros and cons.
We allow people to drink, a recreational activity and thousands of people die( actual harm) every year from DUIs.
Shouldn't we go ban alcohol consumption/bars then. Surely a recreational activity is less important than something fundamental like free speech.
Your argument was that "these incidents don't seem like that big of a deal." So in your fictional world where those three incidents are the only harassment that has happened, it's still a big deal as the system may fail the next time. In reality, there is already a mountain of harassment that the system failed to punish.
Free speech does not cover harassment.
Your argument is all over the place. From "no harm is being done" to "the harm is limited and already being punished" and now "harmful behavior should be tolerated."
Fred Hampton also often talked about how no matter what race, white, brown, black, the proletariat must come together to overthrow the bourgeois in a proletarian revolution.
The point is that "white males" are no group protected by any anti-discriminatory law or fall under any "group" that is discriminable against under moral terms. You can legally and ethically flame against "white males" as you choose.
The reason is simple: as a collective in Western societies, white males occupy most of society's leading roles and (together with white women) form the majority of Western countries' populations. Discrimination, however, requires a power and numbers majority of the discriminators over those "discriminated"... which simply isn't the case, no matter where in the Western sphere you look.
Granted, the demographich statistics for the US show that whites may sooner or later no longer be the dominant ones by numbers... but as long as the representation of non-whites, especially black/brown people of color or people of latino and Asian origin, in ALL OF society is not representative of their numbers, whites simply cannot be discriminated against.
As a reason, there's no problem when Twitter bans people who post such stuff.