I’m confused. There is almost no rhetoric against legal and/or qualified immigration, just the illegal kind.
Beyond immigration talk, the constant spewing of racism coming from the administrations is a clear signal that immigrants of different backgrounds are not wanted.
To that end, they simply pack up and build their business and wealth elsewhere. We won't feel those effects right now but it will hit hard in a few years.
As for Trump, he is only talking about illegal immigration. Nobody with an engineering degree is going to care about his views on immigration, they may even welcome them because Trump apparently (I did not know this until reading the sibling links) wants to move to merit based immigration instead of a lottery scheme, which would help high skilled workers.
He also wants to cut the quota to a third of its current value.
It can still be better for engineers though, if they are in the top third of desired immigrants from a jobs perspective.
Curious to see some examples cited.
You act as if CNN and ACLU are convincing sources,even though they have obvious agendas against the current administration.
I feel a strange need to show fairness to Trump here. The CNN headline is very misleading, it says "Trump basically called Mexicans rapists again" but then goes on to quote him and the quote doesn't contain any such statement. He doesn't even mention Mexicans. Rather he makes a general statement that women get raped a lot on the paths used for illegal immigration into the USA, a statement CNN actually agrees with according to their article:
"Nobody is arguing that the trip from Central America to the US is easy or that women are not attacked or exploited on it. That is a well-documented problem, one that Trump brought up to bolster his own case for tougher immigration laws."
Trump expressing concern about abuse of women on the paths used by illegal immigrants is an odd form of 'racism'.
Passports are being denied to US citizens and their documentation is being deemed invalid based on no evidence and no due process: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-administration-denying-pass...
Steve Bannon talks about how even legal immigrants from South Asia don't fit into America's "civic society" (whatever that means): https://boingboing.net/2016/11/17/steve-bannon-wants-to-depo...
ICE reserves the right to detail and interrogate people about their immigration status as a matter of course, and their only rubric for "suspicion" is "person is Brown." http://www.witf.org/news/2018/07/how-racial-profiling-goes-u...
I don't mind long wait time, but I hate to live under fear and some bureaucrat's mercy and being assumed as job thieves.
The America brand has essentially been tainted.
The sad thing is that I studied in America for two years and can't reconcile the current rhetoric with the memories I had
Having ceilings based on a % of company number of employees or some other mechanism would go a long way (or the chance of draw being related to their salary)
They already have a legal requirement to pay prevailing wage before they can get a visa. That means at least six figures in the bay area.
There are a few reasons Americans don't take these six figure jobs:
1. Don't want to live in California/too expensive
2. This is the more common reason: Americans don't do STEM much, cannot compete with internationals. Obviously not all Americans are incompetent but given the number of open positions in the bay area, there are just not enough of them.
As an anecdote, my manager has had 2 open positions for 7 months now, paying $125k base + sign on + relocation + bonus + stock for a new grad. Guess how many we've filled after 7 months? A big fat zero.
The only way our product would sustain is by hiring people. So we eventually ended up hiring an h1b Chinese guy who was very very smart and capable. Then, because legal immigration process is choked off, he still couldn't join after 4 months. So we just had him join an offshore satellite office and moved his projects there.
If he plays his cards right, the project will grow and he will help us hire more in the offshore site.
Does this sound good for America?
Why would anyone move to California for $125K when they could live in one of 20 other major cities, make the same amount with a lower cost of living?
Cash is king. Anything else shifts the risks away from the better capitalized corporation to the less capitalized potential employee.
Sign-on bonuses don't have a vesting period. That's why they're called "sign-on" - you get them when you sign on. You might have to give them back, pro-rated, if you leave the company within a certain time period (typically a year).
> Cash is king.
I'm not disagreeing here. I'm just pointing out that the fixed $125k number in your mind is inaccurate in reality. The total value of the stock+sign-on+bonus may not be $75k (that might be the ideal case) but it's not $0 either. The total comp is a lot of money for any new grad in any city in the world (again, outside of finance and law at the top end).
Realistically, what are the chances of Apple, Google, Microsoft or Facebook who are all circling $1 trillion to see the same types of returns over the next ten years?
And this kind of over-generalization and over-rationalization is exactly the reason why Americans cannot be found.
Sorry, if you want the job, take it else the jobs are going elsewhere. We have a product to sell.
So you have better opportunities elsewhere. Whats your problem with me hiring legal taxpaying smart international people?
Do you want to kill my razor thin business causing layoffs? Do you want me to move to another country? Do you not want smart people here in the US? Do you not want growth in the US?
On the other hand, the original post did imply that there was something morally wrong with employees not being “loyal” and jumping ship to a better offer or not accepting your offer at all because it was in their best interest.
But at the end of the day, it is your business not mine. That informs where both of our loyalties will lie.
You can live comfortably in a nice area in the burbs in many American metro areas off of $70K - $90K.
I could do much better making $90K in most major metros that are not on the west coast or New York than I could do in SV for $125K.
If you haven't seen rhetoric against legal immigration, you haven't been paying attention.