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Funny how the freezing snap at the beginning of the year March-April was put down to “weather” and a hot spell is put down to “climate change”.

Both most plausibly have the root in the same phenomenon of oceanic cooling mucking around with the various wind systems like the gulf stream.

Time will tell if this is a blip or a trend.

Last heatwave is 1976.. 42 years. If we have a heatwave that frequently it is not really a problem is it ?

Hot June was 18th hottest of 350 records from the longest temperature record.

Lets see how hot July was against the 350 year record first. Discount more modern locations with short history or tarmacced sub standard placement ( Heathrow airport for instance )

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> Funny how the freezing snap at the beginning of the year March-April was put down to “weather” and a hot spell is put down to “climate change”.

You are confusing journalism with science, journalists want to sell newspapers, ideally by telling their readers something true. What sells newspapers in March was, it is really cold, what sells newspapers now is, it is really hot! In march the editorializing was weather, because the journalist keeps up with scientific publications and calling it weather is true and does not hinder selling newspapers. Now, the journalist writes climate change, because it is true and does not keep anybody from buying newspapers.

However, the journalist is not the one who dedicated their live to understand the atmosphere, he is merely reporting on global warming.

> Last heatwave is 1976.. 42 years.

Nope, read the article. Last heatwave as extreme in Europe was in 2003, there was not a single summer as extreme as these two in Europe in the twentieth century, not even in 98, the hottest year in the last century.

> Time will tell if this is a blip or a trend.

That was a reasonable position in the 1970ies, since then it is clear enough that the climate is changing that the UN did a thing, founding the IPCC in the 80ies, politicians don't do something like that if they aren't pretty convinced that there is a real problem.

> it is clear enough that the climate is changing that the UN did a thing, founding the IPCC in the 80ies

circular argument... the various religions did a thing and founded priesthoods... does that offer proof of their various gods ?

they even did a thing and founded their priesthoods before the IPCC... does that make them correct ?

Can’t really move on with your arguments until you address the fact that you misstated facts in your original post, and have yet to address that.

A circular argument might be worth engaging more than an argument whose central point is an equivalence between dedicated climate scientists and religion.

Hell, even an actual religion is worth more of people's time.

May was unusually hot here in Sweden, and actually broke all previous measured records. But here's the interesting part: The Swedish Meteorological and Hydrological Institute (SMHI) concluded that statistically a May this hot only occurs three times in a million years. [0]

But according to your reasoning I guess we're just really lucky?

https://www.smhi.se/forskning/forskningsnyheter/varmebolja-i...

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For another datapoint, this year Tokyo experienced the coldest winter in 48 years [1] and is now in the middle of the hottest summer ever [2].

[1] http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201801250019.html

[2] https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/23/asia/japan-heatwave-deadl...

Cold extremes are becoming colder, hot extremes are becoming hotter.

But those 'extremes' increasing never stand up to scrutiny.

2003 had the hottest heatwave on record in Europe. 70.000 people died. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_European_heat_wave

It was hot in 2006 too, but people were better prepared than in 2003.

Are we never allowed to have a hot summer ?

What about the very many hot summers that are recorded in 350 years of records that pre date the industrial revolution and therefore CO2 emmissions.

The hottest June on record is 1846...

Considering that the idea of CO2 emissions being a problem for the climate was first suggested in the 1800's, and the industrial revolution started in the 1700's with the invention of the steam engine, I think maybe you're a bit off.

Have you ever taken even a single moment to actually research your point of view?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_climate_change_scie...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Revolution

Actually I did take a moment and within the first 39 minutes of research I discovered laziness or a lie on Obama’s part and from there I could not help but wonder what other forms of misinformation must exist.

Why would laziness on the part of a single politician invalidate the work of 100+ years of research work on the part of hundreds of scientists?

> Time will tell if this is a blip or a trend.

Which (measureable) criterion needs to be fulfilled so that you would acknowledge this as a trend?

Heatwaves need to become more clustered. At the moment we get them every so often at roughly the same rate we always did.

As mentioned June ( very hot ) was 18th out of 350.

There were 17 other hotter Junes in 350 years... many pre industrial revolution and therefore immune from CO2 considerations.

And anyway, its not really about the outliers. The trend seems clear: https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/graph_data/Tempera...

Yea cool_look that graph basically addresses your primary argument as well a citing as source (which you did not).

I assume this means you concede? Or is the graph doctored?

It is a trend. You are deluding yourself if you do not believe the overwhelming scientific concensus on that conclusion.

Last summer was also very hot in Europe.

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