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Microsoft conference attendees can all laugh at the poor iPad user bent over an obviously flawed form factor when they should be using one of those tablets with flip-around keyboards that have been out for 10 years running Windows.

And everyone at WWDC can laugh all the way to the bank every time Apple sells another million iPads.

The customers have spoken. Is denial really Ballmer's best option at this point?

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The same argument says Windows is the best desktop/laptop software. "The customers have spoken."

Yes, when Android first launched it was very interesting to see Apple users use phrases like 100,000 apps in the app store and dominant market share, and how these have changed as they were overtaken.

Mac users were always defending the boutique, specialist, quality over quantity arguments on the desktop and then suddenly it was all a numbers game for a while there.

There is a legitimate "existing library of apps / network effects" argument here, as well as an illegitimate "appeal to popularity" one.

At a certain point the numbers no longer matter in an app store. My phone is a guitar tuner, one of five available. If my devices store had twice the apps, I don't think I'd benefit much.

"Mac users were always defending the boutique, specialist, quality over quantity arguments on the desktop and then suddenly it was all a numbers game for a while there.".

The truth is, that the kind of people who say things like that are the kind of people who look for opportunities to argue about that kind of stuff and your statement reads like you have a clear bias. That's not a very objective perspective to my mind.

-sent from my iPad

If it makes you feel any better I use neither platform, I am an Ubuntu user

-sent from my Amiga

I'm not sure if your post was meant to be humorous or unintended irony.

Completely intentional.

I don't think so. If I was to claim that more people will buy Macs than PCs, then you could say "the customers have spoken" and that I was wrong. But I never claimed that.

Ballmer here is claiming that nobody wants the iPad form factor. That's just patently false and you only need to point to sales numbers to show that.

All I'm doing is to point out the implications of your reliance on current sales as a measure for future success and/or 'goodness of product' (whatever that means). If you try to mix and match your metrics (or tenses) without explanation then you are being roughly as (in)consistent ad Ballmer himself.

Apple's got over 90% of retail market share for computers > $1000. The customers have spoken, and said they'll take windows on cheap machines.

The same logic begs the question "so why are they losing ground?"

Momentum takes a while to reverse.

Uh who is windows losing ground to exactly? My understanding is that mac osx has been losing market share since Windows 7 came out.

I believe the same but I have no data, could you point to some source?

It would appear that it is correct or partially correct. I couldn't find data for the whole time, but as of the end of last year, OS X market share appears to have flattened and then gone both up and down from that point by a fairly small amount.

Here is an article talking about market share http://annasoft.wordpress.com/2010/10/04/report-ios-driving-...

and here is one which doesn't mention mobile: http://www.statowl.com/operating_system_market_share_trend.p...

Which is why the derivative (or rate of change in OS market share) is more informative than current position (OS market share).

And that remains correct. The difference is that Windows customers are the OEMs.

No, the biggest reason was pre-installation and nasty tactics by Microsoft out of the starting gate.

It was as quality-price ratio without a doubt. You wanted a cheap PC you could change different cards, you got PCs(and windows with it).

I was at the event and quite a large amount of people there had iPads too.

I love the flip-around tablet. It's better than a touch screen for almost any creative application because of the great input resolution. The only real negative is that it's expensive.

my buddy has a thinkpad x61 flip-around tablet, and it looks as usable as my thinkpad x60s non-tablet as a laptop, and it also looks like a reasonable tablet. (now, I'm not a tablet guy, so I can't evaluate how good a tablet is; the form factor is simply Not For Me. but my buddy likes it. he runs windows on the thing.)

Me, I carry a (non tablet) thinkpad x60s running Linux. it gets maybe 4 or 5 hours on the extended battery, and I carry one extended battery and two (half the charge) regular batteries. (I'm a big guy and the thinkpad x series is small, so the extra weight doesn't really bother me. It's still lighter than my girl's giant T series laptop w/ extended battery. That thing is heavy.) Also, the thing is cheap enough that I don't get too bothered at the idea of it getting destroyed.

For what it's worth: Woot.com's deal for the day is a flip-around tablet-style netbook. http://woot.com/

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