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I do not understand why the west hates Huawei so much

Because I grew up in the Ottawa region and many of my friends parents worked at Nortel.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.1137006

Someone was hacking into Nortel and stealing R&D, trade secrets, the hard work of the research division. That someone was in China. Soon after, a competitor named Huawei with a minimal R&D budget was selling very similar products at lower prices. It put Nortel out of business. My friends' parent all lost their jobs.

This is why I personally won't buy Huawei products.

This probably isn't the only thing that put Nortel out of business, but it saddens me that more Canadians aren't aware of that history. Huawei advertising during Hockey Night in Canada just makes my blood boil. It's nation-state-level trolling.

The connection to Huawei seems very tenuous. Is there any evidence of Huawei hacking Nortel? The link you shared is just an allegation of Chinese hacking.

Huawei have a rep for being IP thieves. They once were sued by Cisco for having software so "accidentally" similar, it had the same bugs...

https://www.cnet.com/news/huawei-admits-to-a-little-copying/

A company I worked for was acquired by a huawei partner, and within a couple of months Huawei was selling a complete hardware and software copy of our product.

GPs story definitely rings true.

Wait, if the company was acquired by a Huawei proxy, how is that same as whatever GP is insinuating?

Full disclosure: I work for Huawei; I am not paid to shill; I am not Chinese.

> I am not Chinese

I'm not criticizing the parent, but it should never need to be said. Nobody here should be judged based on their ethnicity or country.

If the company was acquired by a Huawei partner, doesn't that mean the reproduction was legitimate in this case?

No, why would it be? It wasn’t produced by the partner, and was never authorized to be copied by anyone. It was straight up copied - source code and all - by Hauwei after their partner got access to our SVN repos.

Why wasn't Huawei sued? I would assume that Huawei acquired the code and design legally if there was no lawsuit.

Wait, if Huawei Partner acquired the company, doesn’t it mean they got the rights to its IP? Isn’t that often the sole point of acquision?

Or did I misread something?

I can't tell if you are a troll or legitimately hold beliefs that manage to piss off every side of this forum but I have seen you pop up all over the place on here lately.

If I can make a request, please include your reasoning on your future posts because I have been incapable of understanding the viewpoint that led to some of your comments

I am very clearly pro crypto, pro capitalism, pro china (and pro immigration, I almost forgot in my list of biases). I do not hide my thoughts. I do not mention my political opinions, because that has no place on HN.

I work on some complicated things, so in the daytime I enjoy breaks and I come here to discuss or share my thoughts.

I do not promote anything - no product, no company. I have raw opinions and I am not very PC. I do not mean to hurt anyone.

My reasoning for Huawei is that they make great products, but they are attacked left and right. I genuinely would have made the same choice- including limiting background applications.

I am almost certain that a lot of criticism is very misguided. If you need any proof, just read the comment where the demise of Nortel is blamed on Huawei. It is not me thinking that.

On the Huawei point, they are believed to have stolen IP from multiple companies. If you don't believe they have stolen anything that is one thing, but I don't know a pro capitalism view that is ok with stealing from your competitors which is where I think much of the dislike comes from

I have seen no real evidence of that. I would actually prefer if they did, as contempt for property rights helped many countries and companies become competitive. And there are many economists with a dislike of intellectual property, mostly austrians, who are also fiercly pro capitalism.

It is also in line with what many say for startups: ideas do not count, only the execution.

I hope this answers your questions about me. I am here to share ideas, and I am happy to explain my reasoning if needed.

Whether or not the government should be granting monopolies in the form of IP and whether it's fine to violate property rights in a capitalist system, are two different questions

I can see your other viewpoints but I do not understand how your seeming desire for no laws is based in capitalism. Property rights and rule of law are basic necessities for capitalism

Not everyone agreees on this "basic necessity"

There is hardly anything more capitalistic than the Mises institute. Yet they share these ideas!

https://mises.org/library/patents-and-copyrights-should-be-r...

https://mises.org/library/there-room-intellectual-property-r...

extracts: "Like many libertarians, I initially assumed intellectual property (IP) was a legitimate type of property right. But I had misgivings from the start: there was just something too utilitarian..."

I think you're conflating two points. I know many, capitalistic, people believe that IP should not exist.

However it does currently exist as property of people. If property rights are not respected then capitalism falls apart as you'd have land and capital stolen and kept by whoever could bring the most force

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