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All age and gender groups, not just men who are of dating age, are seeing increases in suicide.

I also have to ask: how many friends do you have that are women?

It's been my experience that women are more likely to settle down with a less traditionally conventional partner, nowadays, than in the past. Money, power and looks are less important qualities than they traditionally were. Contrary to your belief, I believe this is because woman are able to find economic independence now, and marriage is no longer their one door of opportunity to a better life.

Sure, there are some women who 'date up', but they aren't the majority and aren't in anyway representative of an overall trend. Shallow people exist on both sides.

> This has left women able to pick the top men, studies have shown that they are much more selective than men — and they are in much higher demand than men. This has left a lot of men unable to find love or start a family.

I experience that myself... But I wonder how that works. Isn't the ratio of women to men 50:50 more or less? Are multiple women all in a relationship with the same few men? I don't see how that would work for serious relationships. That must mean women are also not starting families anymore?

It’s also probably explained by the increase in single motherhood [1]. I suspect since women no longer need men for financial sustenance they can pick any father they want and raise the child alone if need be. Since attractiveness in men is pareto distributed it probably translates to single mothers and throwaway men.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/12/18/the-u...

Yes. See birth rates declining and marriages happening later and later in life. Lots of studies on that. Women share the top men in casual relationships. Basically we are reverting to the days of the past prior to monogamous enforced by religion where men had multiple women. See studies on that which show most men didn’t reproduce while most women did.

It doesn't help that most (American) men don't seem to be worth dating for reasons that have nothing to do with looks, money, or fame.

Most american men are boring (generally speaking).

NOTE: I'm saying this as an american man.

And American women aren't boring?

Pretty loaded statement there that should probably be accompanied with supporting evidence.

Are you taking this personally? If we hung out, would we have a good time?

Would we be able to talk all night about interesting stuff? Would i stay up way past my bedtime because I don't wanna put the phone (or whatever communication) down?

You've accusing an entire gender of being boring, the least you can do is support it with evidence, otherwise your statement is at best doesn't contribute anything, at worst is toxic.

But aren't most people (including women, and people outside of US) boring? And wasn't it always like this?

i always think of https://thebaffler.com/ancestors/feminism-for-men (written in 1914 in a socialist publication) when reading something like what you wrote there.

I certainly don't get the date up part though. I'm kind of a loser (monetarily speaking) and only average looking, but it hasn't been that hard to get a date.

I remember a sex educator or psychologist or so on TV talking about the new sex scene with tinder and more openess to have random sex.

And that it changed from 10 women having sex with 8 men to 8 women having sex with the two best looking and most famous guys.

Aka more selective.

My casual sex partner is, almost by definition, not the person I'm looking to settle down and start a family with. In fact, half the appeal of casual sex is fucking someone you'd never date.

So I fall to see what that has to do with what the GP is saying, which is men are being denied opportunities to have a family en mass.

Which is kinda silly, honestly, I see unappealing men dating and getting married, having kids, all the time. Like the GP said, as long as you aren't hideous or have a hygene problem dating isn't particularly difficult for men if you're 1) pleasant and outgoing, 2) put some effort into it, and 3) not absurdly picky.

I've never used tinder (or anything like that) myself, nor do i for random hookups. It's just going out there and meeting people and making friends.

They definitely deserve the chance to be selective. Most American men are just too boring. I wouldn't date them if i was into dudes.

Care to back literally any of this up?

It’s all google’able. I’m on my mobile so it’s rather hard for me. The stats released by dating sites are pretty damning for most men.

Read this https://labs.la.utexas.edu/buss/files/2013/02/The-Mate-Switc...