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I'm sorry that sounds like a load of BS. I've worked with Django 8 years and React since 2014. Nobody can replicate what django does using a client side view library like React. At least not without downloading half the internet via NPM or Yarn. I suppose your talking about React-Router, Redux, etc... etc... and pulling it all together via some Node/Express single page app?

I'll take django for simplicity any day and run React from it's templates.

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React is simple.

First I'd start with creating the database in Postgres. Create tables to hold data and any views needed to represent joined tables for convenience. Once that's settled, the express server comes next to create a CRUD API to work with the data and handle user authentication and authorization. This is dead simple and once it works there's little you need to touch. The database handles any data dependent business logic.

By this point you can make API calls and use the application through any REST client.

So now I just need to create a React client to consume the API and give a great user experience. Don't need Redux. Grab React-Router and a couple packages for UI components and you'll be up and running with the MVP in no time. Checkmate.

> Create tables to hold data and any views needed to represent joined tables for convenience. Once that's settled, the express server comes next to create a CRUD API to work with the data and handle user authentication and authorization.

Not sure how you're beating Rails or Django at this, unless you're a 10X developer going against a normal one. For that matter, I'm willing to bet an experienced Drupal developer using drush would be faster setting things up.

I don't think being able to write some simple SQL makes you a 10x developer. I think it's normal. The way I prefer to see it is relying on ORMs makes you a weak developer.

This is about how fast someone experienced in Rails/Django/Drupal/Laravel could get a basic CRUD app up and running vs. a JS framework.

If you're familiar with setting up a basic express app, and kind of know how you like to do things, can prob set up another one pretty quickly. None of the ORM's prob as mature on node (last i checked) but still not a huge amount of friction if you already know one.

Node will prob take longer if you're taking time to try out [new hotness lib of the day], though.

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