Absolutely shocking that suicide is up.
I guess it's both good and bad, though. Bad because it indicates growth has left the U.S. and we're all doing a little worse than we expected we'd be doing. Good because if everyone is feeling persecuted, chances are we've actually got this equality thing down pretty well.
Is there a reason you would expect the harm from things of that sort to have increased as of late?
Unless you mean that the attempts to make people feel worthless are done on the basis of immutable things, but are done in response to "not towing the line"?
Yes, I do mean that. If you are white or a male you are told to "check your privilege", and that you "are not allowed to speak about issues". (Is a white male allowed to have an opinion about abortion? Ask yourself what you think, and ask others as well, and that will help you understand.)
Go watch some campus talks and see how bad it gets. Or just read this: https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/24/politics/march-for-our-lives-...
Notice the narrative that the white students don't matter unless they deprecate themself? It's framed in an inclusive way of course ("they include others"), but the subtext is quite obvious.
And that's a CNN article, the real world is much worse.
The pendulum is swinging, and instead of making everyone important, now those who were marginalized before are gaining status by marginalizing others.
> but are done in response to "not towing the line"
Like, your previous comment was about "towing the line" and I was asking about the connection between the "immutable properties" thing mentioned in the original comment I responded to, and the "towing the line" that you mentioned.
I wasn't asking "are people speaking against other people's immutable properties?" (which seems to be the question you responded to).
I was asking, "By talking about 'towing the line' when the context was 'immutable properties', did you mean that the treatment based on 'immutable properties' is targeted at those who don't 'tow the line'? If not, what is your meaning in bringing up 'towing the line' in the context of people speaking against others' 'immutable properties'?".
I am not trying to make a point about who is or is not treated badly. I'm trying to clear up what was meant to be communicated.
That's rather heartwarming; they clearly intuitively understand solidarity. It's not like someone is holding a gun to their heads and making them do it.
More seriously, all those kids recognise that news coverage and politics applies very different bias to young white people and young nonwhite people, and they're refusing to accept that and keep pointing it out.
Most of the time I hear people claim that someone else objects to someone's "existence", the person is claiming that people are objecting to the "existence" of homosexual or bisexual or transgender persons. So, with there seeming to be a correlation with red states, I thought maybe the comment was saying "That is because there are a bunch of hateful ___phobes in the red states grrr!"
However, I probably should have picked up on the part of the comment that talked about the unchangable property being treated as "violence", and realized that that likely implied that the group imagined to be saying the quote was likely, uh, the group that tends to define "violence" in weird ways to include things that they believe are bad in general.
I suppose my first interpretation of the comment also didn't fit particularly well with the increase in the rate being primarily among persons who are (considered) white.
You have not noticed people making up sexual identities that they don't really have? Or inventing (or inflating) victim stories about themself?
As for people "making up" aspects of their identity ... so? Who fucking cares? It doesn't affect me at all, let alone make me more prone to committing suicide!!!
You missed the point. Correct, who cares. But why are they driven to do it? It's because otherwise they are not valued. (If you have another theory let's hear it.)
> I've basically never seen the former. I do see 100X as much ranting against it though.
You don't spend enough time on college campuses, and you especially don't spend enough time listening to liberal student yell and scream if someone conservative dares to talk.
Or maybe you spend just the right amount of time LOL. Ignoring those kind of liberals probably helps one's sanity.
Lots more detail at http://www.ustranssurvey.org/reports if you're actually interested.
The Bully says to gay kid, your very existence offends me.
The White Bully says to non-white kid, your very existence offends me.
The Sports Hero says to the Computer Nerd, your very existence offends me.
Make other substitutions for bully / victim as you see fit. But it's not an analogy. It really happens.
I literally meant: A bully said to victim that victim's very existence is offensive to bully.
IMO, that summarizes how I interpreted the original top level post.
I guess if you strip all historical context out of the racial issues, ignore current inequalities, and just focus on what people on Tumblr are saying, I guess you could come to that conclusion, but you have to intentionally avoid a lot of stuff to reach that
I've got a liberal gay friend who was ostracized by his family after a failure to complete gay-conversion therapy for example. He managed to live fine once he ran away from home, got married in Canada to his now husband, and seems to be happily married for the past few years.
On the other hand, there are right-wing friends who also claim that they're being bullied online. I don't think I've heard of any horror stories that compare to the trauma of gay conversion therapy however. Still, there's a level of trolling that can be psychologically damaging, so I can understand that issue.
To be clear: I'm against bullying of any kind. But often times, its important to know the viewpoint of the complainer. I'm not sure if there's anything we can do about casual internet trolling, not without breaking the 1st Amendment anyway. But there's definitely something we can do about gay conversion therapy for example.
I would personally be for increasing penalties on "obvious" internet troll moves: Swatting, online harassment, revenge porn, etc. etc. There's relatively little legal recourse against these acts of trolling right now. And sure, its technically chipping away at 1st Amendment / free speech issues, but I do think that cleaning up the internet a bit and reducing bullying online will probably help someone.
Being told that, repeatedly, by multiple people, at an impressionable age, might lead someone to commit suicide.