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I've seen "Show HN: HyperApp" type of submissions at least 5 times earlier. Congrats, you made a 1Kb JS library. Please stop spamming HN though.

https://hn.algolia.com/?query=hyperapp&sort=byPopularity&pre...

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I don't even get why it is important that it's 1kb. Give me a library with great API and easy to use. Nobody cares if library is 1kb or 100kb (minified).

Don't assume that everyone is happy with whatever level of mediocrity _you_ think is acceptable. It's because of developers prioritizing developer experience and other baggage over user experience that I despise my mobile web surfing experience.

Plenty of people do care about frontend performance (as evidenced by the plethora of efforts ranging from small alt vdom libs by solo devs to large corporate efforts like AMP or m.uber.com[1])

[1] https://eng.uber.com/m-uber/

>>Don't assume that everyone is happy with whatever level of mediocrity _you_ think is acceptable.

So large library size == mediocre?

Jesus christ, HN is full of extremists.

A large library is perfectly fine if it provides enough functionality to pull its own weight. But these days just about every site on the web has dozens if not hundreds of bloated libraries for the stupidest things and large bundle sizes due to that have become a pretty good indication of wrong priorities from the developer's part.

And I, as a user, am left waiting several seconds waiting for pages larger than the original Doom executable to load. It's gotten so bad that my wife had to be selective of when to use her phone because browsing normally without wifi from starbucks etc would get her over the plan limit by mid-month. I mean, how much browsing are you really supposed to be able to do when every page is several MBs of JS alone, and you have a 300MB/mo plan to work with? Not every country has cheap/good mobile plans.

^ This

The irony is you are the extremist for thinking HN is full of extremists! :)

Also, library size !== mediocrity at all. No one builds an unreasonably large framework on purpose either.

Given an equal feature set (and similar performance), a larger lib is worse, yes.

If your problem space requires a lot of code, then off course not.

HyperApp has a great API, and for Web client code, size does matter.

> Nobody cares if library is 1kb or 100kb (minified).

You do if your app needs to be mobile-friendly. 100kb can easily add an extra second or two to the page load on a bad enough mobile connection.

It isn't just on bad connections: https://medium.com/dev-channel/the-cost-of-javascript-84009f...

Article has 300kb+ of javascript on mobile, loads pretty fast on 3G. I don't know what you're talking about.

Mobile google.com loads 200kb+ of javascript and I've never heard anyone complain about loading speeds for it.

Loading time doesn't always result in complaints (that depends on the user's expectations) but has a significant effect on likelihood of repeat visits, length of visits, and amount of interaction.

Hyperapp has a great API, it's easy to use and it's 1 kB.

Some of those results refer to HyperTerminal, the Electron-based terminal app. Other results refer to Hyperapp-like libraries (not Hyperapp). The most recent submission related to Hyperapp was 8 months ago and Hyperapp has come a long way since then.

Here is another angle to this: go into React type of submissions and ask them to stop spamming HN with that?

https://hn.algolia.com/?query=react&sort=byPopularity&prefix...

You are a joke.

Show HN: 1 KB JavaScript library for building front end apps 242 points jbucaran 8 months ago 2 comments (https://github.com/jbucaran/hyperapp)

Show HN: 1 KB JavaScript framework for building front-end applications 216 points jbucaran 8 months ago 42 comments (https://github.com//hyperapp/hyperapp)

Show HN: 1kb JavaScript library for building front end applications 187 points jbucaran a year ago 40 comments (https://github.com/hyperapp/hyperapp)

Show HN: 1 KB JavaScript library for building applications 116 points jbucaran 7 months ago 8 comments (https://github.com/JorgeBucaran/hyperapp)

Show HN: 1 KB JavaScript library for building front end apps 40 points jbucaran 5 months ago 0 comments (https://github.com/hyperapp/hyperapp/releases/tag/1.0.0)

Show HN: (1KB) JavaScript library for building fast and feature-rich web apps 9 points jbucaran 5 months ago 4 comments (https://github.com/hyperapp/hyperapp#hyperapp)

Show HN: 1kb JavaScript library for building front end applications 4 points jbucaran a year ago 0 comments (https://github.com/hyperapp/hyperapp)

1kb functional JavaScript library for building UI applications 3 points jbucaran a year ago 2 comments (https://github.com/hyperapp/hyperapp)

Show HN: Less is More (1KB) JavaScript library for building user interfaces 2 points JorgeBucaran 4 months ago 0 comments (https://github.com/hyperapp/hyperapp#hyperapp)

JavaScript meets Elm 2 points jbucaran a year ago 0 comments (https://github.com/hyperapp)

> You are a joke.

Wow, so you're right. Do you need to be so rude about it?

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