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No particular reason it uses docblocks.. it's just what I thought looked decent at the time. I'm usually not a fan of comments as code, but in this case it's kinda neat.. :-)

It's a real challenge to make nice looking mini languages in PHP. At least Ruby gives you a bit more rope to make clever little languages. /envy

But yeah, I really wish PHP had a web server interface like Rack that was more widely accepted. The two that look the most promising are:

http://mongrel2.org

http://github.com/indeyets/appserver-in-php

Also, the downside of implementing your own web server is that basically zero existing PHP code will work with it. It's because you have to re-implement all the usual superglobal stuff $_GET $_POST $_SESSION etc..

.. I consider that a plus. ;-)

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Can I get some thoughts on http://github.com/luciferous/pip? It's an interface and a web server (and framework). Its a ways to becoming near a standard. I think it "fights" PHP style in its current state.

Looking pretty good. Nice one. :-)

I can't claim much credit for the design of Kelpie, it's mostly a direct port of Ruby's Thin web server. I guess there's a couple of notes I'd make:

- I'd recommend using the mongrel http parser rather than implementing your own. I wrote a PHP extension for it - http://github.com/dhotson/httpparser-php

Also, some cosmetic stuff (feel free to ignore):

- I prefer camelCase for methods

- public/private access control on methods

- PHP namespaces look and act weird to me so I don't use them

- I prefer using underscores in names and a classloader to avoid require statements

Thanks for that! I was looking at your PHP extension a few months ago, but didn't come to a decision on integrating something that users would need to install in addition to the standard PHP package. I'm definitely thinking a lot about the cosmetics of the code, especially since looks different from PEAR etc...

Ah yep, I guess it'd be good to have a pure PHP fallback for HTTP parsing.

Also, I've pretty much developed my own PHP style. I don't follow PEAR conventions.. I go with what looks clearest to me. So obviously you'll want to take my advice with a grain of salt.

Well, Mongrel2 sort of acts like a common web interface, but only if the other side adopts it.

It really depends, frameworks like Agavi do not use $_GET etc. and explicitly disallow their use.

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