Fast food vegans sure do die. And if you believe that nothing you can eat can be toxic to your body, you already lost in life.
The very act of living produces toxins, period.
As opposed to proper vegans, who live forever?
>And if you believe that nothing you can eat can be toxic to your body, you already lost in life.
Plenty can be toxic, including all kinds of plants (heroin is made from a plant). But the best diets according to longevity statistics and scientific studies still include meat, e.g. the Mediterranean diet.
Or you can ignore those, and opt for some semi-mystical, culting fad diet.
Obviously no one is saying vegans live forever. It's not what this is about. Even if we all die eventually, why not have the best quality if life possible and have as few health problems possible, if any at all?
That's not what's disputed here though. That a vegan diet is the best way to achieve that, is.
Well, you now get all subtle on us, whereas a few comments before you summed consuming meat as "eat death, get death".
Turns out there's not a single concept as a "non vegan diet" either. It doesn't mean one gorges on huge steaks all day, or one doesn't have a perfectly healthy and balanced diet.
Again, afaik.
Plants and vegetables were "alive" in some capacity before they were torn from their natural habit, violently macerated and forced into a highly acidic stomach to be digested over a period of hours.
You'd be surprised: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic
>Also unlike dead flesh
This has a tone of religious indignation in it. You do know that it's not only perfectly natural, but that there are species that have evolved evolutionary to eat meat, the ones we call carnivores, right?
And then, what is your second point there? Are you a carnivore?
Why is "dead flesh" triggering you so much? Are you ripping into live animals in the wild and swallowing them whole? I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, I would love to meet the first lion using HN.
No, but I'm an omnivore, and belong to a species that has been known to be eating meat all throughout its evolutionary history [1], and throughout all its 4+ millennia of actual civilization and history, all around the world. So, there's that.
>Why is "dead flesh" triggering you so much?
Don't confuse someone objecting to morally loaded language like "dead flesh" with being "triggered".
In fact, don't use cheap parlor tricks like "why are you triggered" to shift the discussion from arguments to sentiments and ad hominem.
>Are you ripping into live animals in the wild and swallowing them whole?
If live oysters qualify, then yes.
But usually we don't call what we eat "dead flesh", in the same way we don't say we eat "ground wheat" when we eat bread or pasta. we eat steaks and meatballs and so on. We also don't eat just the flesh. We also eat the skin -- and some of us, we enjoy the bone marrow too.
So your phrasing is just a cheap (and insulting to our intelligence) trick to impose a sentimental undertone to the discussion. Which is part of the reason you have been downvoted to grayness.
Plus, fruits and plants are still alive when you eat them (their cells are still working fine) -- so, are you eating them alive? You monster!
[1] https://www.americanscientist.org/article/meat-eating-among-...