Acids and large protein consumption. Meat, wheat, dairy. Toxic to the human body. It's really quite simple. You eat death, you get death.
Whereas vegans don't die?
Also "toxic to the human body" is just bad dietary advice.
Meat can be extremely healthy but some types are rich in oils that can't break down easy. Bacon vs lean pork
Pure glucose would be ideal, from a 'breakdown' perspective.
The very act of living produces toxins, period.
As opposed to proper vegans, who live forever?
>And if you believe that nothing you can eat can be toxic to your body, you already lost in life.
Plenty can be toxic, including all kinds of plants (heroin is made from a plant). But the best diets according to longevity statistics and scientific studies still include meat, e.g. the Mediterranean diet.
Or you can ignore those, and opt for some semi-mystical, culting fad diet.
Again, afaik.
Obviously no one is saying vegans live forever. It's not what this is about. Even if we all die eventually, why not have the best quality if life possible and have as few health problems possible, if any at all?
That's not what's disputed here though. That a vegan diet is the best way to achieve that, is.
Well, you now get all subtle on us, whereas a few comments before you summed consuming meat as "eat death, get death".
Turns out there's not a single concept as a "non vegan diet" either. It doesn't mean one gorges on huge steaks all day, or one doesn't have a perfectly healthy and balanced diet.
Plants and vegetables were "alive" in some capacity before they were torn from their natural habit, violently macerated and forced into a highly acidic stomach to be digested over a period of hours.
You'd be surprised: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic
>Also unlike dead flesh
This has a tone of religious indignation in it. You do know that it's not only perfectly natural, but that there are species that have evolved evolutionary to eat meat, the ones we call carnivores, right?
And then, what is your second point there? Are you a carnivore?
Why is "dead flesh" triggering you so much? Are you ripping into live animals in the wild and swallowing them whole? I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, I would love to meet the first lion using HN.
No, but I'm an omnivore, and belong to a species that has been known to be eating meat all throughout its evolutionary history [1], and throughout all its 4+ millennia of actual civilization and history, all around the world. So, there's that.
>Why is "dead flesh" triggering you so much?
Don't confuse someone objecting to morally loaded language like "dead flesh" with being "triggered".
In fact, don't use cheap parlor tricks like "why are you triggered" to shift the discussion from arguments to sentiments and ad hominem.
>Are you ripping into live animals in the wild and swallowing them whole?
If live oysters qualify, then yes.
But usually we don't call what we eat "dead flesh", in the same way we don't say we eat "ground wheat" when we eat bread or pasta. we eat steaks and meatballs and so on. We also don't eat just the flesh. We also eat the skin -- and some of us, we enjoy the bone marrow too.
So your phrasing is just a cheap (and insulting to our intelligence) trick to impose a sentimental undertone to the discussion. Which is part of the reason you have been downvoted to grayness.
Plus, fruits and plants are still alive when you eat them (their cells are still working fine) -- so, are you eating them alive? You monster!
[1] https://www.americanscientist.org/article/meat-eating-among-...
Vegans still die, non-vegans can still outlive them, anyone can get hit by a bus, etc.
Period.
Nutrition science is a joke. It’s basically all short term studies which tell you nothing about long term effects of diet, or it’s long term epidemiological studies which are fundamentally incapable of controlling for confounding variables.
So yeah. No long-term studies. It's not even clear if we have hope for such. The military could summon the discipline, but soldiers do retire early. Maybe the officers, I don't know.
[1] https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/5-studies-on-the-medite...
That, to me, makes sense.
If that's the case, what is the ideal diet for genetic "hybrids"? Does mixing gene pools __and__ diets lead to more disease?
Modern First World dietary habits are driven by want, not needs. Does this confuse (?) the body and lead to more disease?
If evolution is about survival, and health is tied to survival, it's not as crazy as it sounds.
What are you saying/meaning by disease? Cancer is tied to length of life, and to a small degree, diet (bowel ca) and other modifiable risk factors (ie fat people have higher rates of cancer due to increased numbers of cells... which is interesting because most data says we don't produce new cells for fat, the fat cells just get bigger. So there is a mismatch there that isn't entirely explained by the data i've seen)
Osteoarthritis is clearly linked to weight, so people put their knees/hips/backs out at higher rates.
lack of exercise/modern lifestyle again ties in with the sports injuries.
On everything else, I challenge you to Prove that there is actually more disease. More disease of what? We have reduced or eliminated huge volumes of disease through vaccination and other preventable health. The other stuff is life/longevity linked, or reduced activity linked (ie T2DM/Metabolic Syndrome).
It is a very modern and pseudoscientific concern to be trying to link all this to diet. Yes, you should probably try and eat fresh stuff more than processed stuff. Yes your life should include an exercise regime. But your body is pretty good at breaking down macronutrients into micronutrients, and even though some of those micronutrients can function as drugs, there is not enough evidence to say anything too exciting here
Large protein consumption? Like what many many people do for health reasons, keto, body builders, etc? People in prime health condition?
And what about fructose malabsorption with certain fruits and vegatables? Some people can't eat certain things otherwise it will make them sick due to this illness.
Go back to reddit with your pseudo science trolling. HN is one of the few decent spots on the internet for discussions and it certainly isn't improved by people like you.
There is a whole lot of "death" in the dirt.