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This reply could be to the majority of comments on this post, I just chose yours because it's the first one.

I'm pretty disappointed with HN being party to the same smug, knowing, tongue-in-cheek Rails (and to a lesser extent, Ruby) hating that you constantly see on Slashdot and elsewhere. There are merits to Rails, and also drawbacks, as there are with every tool. It isn't magic, or anything close - the code is all there for you to read, and it is just Ruby, no pixie dust anywhere.

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He's not 'hating' on rails, he's just indicating that there is a period when you use something new that you think 'wow, this is great' when after the shiny newness wears off you realize that there is plenty to be improved.

Calling it a honeymoon period is not too far from the truth, everything seems rosy and pretty.

Yup, also "If you cannot name at least 5 things you dislike about the tools and languages you use you're either in the honeymoon period, or irrational".

As I commented elsewhere in this thread; god knows Python/Django/Zope/Etc have plenty of things to improve and get better at.

The fact that the GGP interprets your point as 'hating on rails' says more about him than about your point.

When you're still in the honeymoon period after a couple of years I guess it should count as true love then.

> I'm pretty disappointed with HN being party to the same smug, knowing, tongue-in-cheek Rails (and to a lesser extent, Ruby) hating that you constantly see on Slashdot and elsewhere.

I don't code Ruby, so maybe I'm not as sensitive to these things, but I haven't noticed this here at all.

Sorry, meant to upvote and hit the wrong arrow. Damen those thick thumbs and the lack of undo on HN!

Anyway, I concur. HN seems very pro-RoR to my eyes.

Must be Karma, I did the same thing 20 minutes ago.

While you aren't wrong regarding the parent comment, I'm actually constantly surprised by how in love with RoR the HN crowd generally seems to be.

Why?

RoR allows lots of HN-types (hackers, people prototyping web business, etc.) to build products quickly. In fact, that's exactly what TFA is an example of.

I'm actually constantly surprised at the number of HN readers who seem to hate on RoR out of general principal.

Try posting a balanced comment about PHP if you think RoR has a hard time here.

Read this and the first comment:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1596505

That should give you a good idea.

A lot of the HN crowd dislikes PHP, and can point to dozens of reasons why: no consistency in the standard library re: naming conventions, order of arguments, etc; poor abstractions; up until recent versions, a lack of namespaces or late static binding, and so forth.

A lot of the HN crowd seems to dislike Rails, but I've never once seen someone post a objective reason why. Philosophical differences I can see -- maybe Rails isn't for everyone. But the majority of the anti-Rails posts are FUD at worst, and misinformed at best.

> knowing, tongue-in-cheek Rails (and to a lesser extent, Ruby) hating

> There are merits to Rails, and also drawbacks, as there are with every tool.

I think that was exactly his point.

> It isn't magic, or anything close

The black magic reference is from the article itself.

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