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The system that Tesla has is in a different class

Indeed! The Tesla system appears to have a much higher probability of killing you! I don't see headlines about "$carbrand cruise control out of control, kills driver"

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You don't see those headlines because short sellers aren't obsessed with those brands like they are with Tesla. Not because those brands are actually safer or don't have accidents.

"Tesla is, by a wide margin, the No. 1 short stock in terms of money at risk and exposure within the global auto industry"

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/teslas-roaring-start-to-20...

But what does it have to do with there being quite a few (better selling, cheaper) models with 0 fatalities?

Hell, cruise control in a Hyundai actually alarms and brakes if you try to drive into a stationary object. But they don't have Saint Elon at the helm...

> But what does it have to do with there being quite a few (better selling, cheaper) models with 0 fatalities?

Pretty sure there are no car models out there with 0 fatalities that have been released for more than a year.

How much are you getting paid to spread this FUD? I genuinely want to know. If the gig is sweet enough, I might want to get in on the racket =)

This breaks the HN guidelines and is a bannable offense regardless of how wrong some other commenter is. Please don't do this again.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Alas, there were statistics posted here on HN in one of the Tesla accident threads [0]. And these were even for cars older than Tesla, cheaper than Tesla, and selling possibly order of magnitude more vehicles (quite possible for Hondas and Toyotas on the list) than Tesla.

Wouldn't it be sad if you had invested your life's savings in TSLA upon hearing Saint Musk preaching his BS, and now need to defend that investment against all facts?

(yeah, there is some sarcasm above, but your accusations of FUD and being paid for it strongly smell of spiked Kool-Aid)

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16723782

> Alas, there were statistics posted here on HN in one of the Tesla accident threads

3 year period, 6 years ago. Zero citations, just a blank statement.

Not only that, it's not believable. The Honda Odyssey sells in the hundreds of thousands per year. Nevermind the other cars.

There are over 30,000 vehicle fatalities per year in the US, but those models that have been around for years and are extremely popular with consumers ... have had zero fatalities?

Let me guess, it's because they're not Teslas. Who's really drinking the Kool-Aid?

> your accusations of FUD and being paid for it strongly smell of spiked Kool-Aid

I'm happy to admit when I'm wrong, but I'm getting tired of the lying.

Yes, sure, everybody is lying, only Saint Elon tells the truth.

To go straight to the source, http://www.iihs.org/iihs/sr/statusreport/article/50/1/1

And we are talking about older cars that might not even have all the supposed safety features a "luxury" (not that it really were one) golf cart like Tesla supposedly has.

Sorry, but you really should lay off the Kool-Aid. Not to say that Tesla were a death trap, but it is fart from being a safest car on the road, no matter what electric fanboys might want to believe.

I chided the user who accused you of being a shill, but I need to chide you as well. You've been using HN for flamewars, which is really not what we want on HN. You've also crossed into personal attack in this comment, and in others previously. Would you please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and take the spirit of this site to heart when commenting here?

Sorry.

You don’t see the headlines because cruise control is an old technology. There were news about people misusing it when it became mainstream.

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