But I willingly give my data to Google - they have (for some reason or another) kept my trust.
Facebook broke my trust with data I didn't know they had collected.
Facebook broke my trust with data I didn't know they had collected.
Like most people here with a Google Account, I've disabled as much of their harvesting as I can.
I've received an extraordinary amount of value from several of their products - such as maps, search, email, apps - and I never click on ads. The value received versus given disparity is beyond comically in my favor.
By comparison at this point I'd rate my value context with Facebook as net negative across my lifetime use of the product. The value has plunged the last four or five years. The first few years I used the product (after it became freely available to the masses), were slightly positive or quasi-benign at worst.
The difference in terms of product experience is largely that with Google, I don't deal with other assholes that routinely make my day worse, whether in the form of ugly politics, petty rage, or spam posts (whether commercial or personal posts).
1. Those who actively use Facebook and willingly tell it everything about their lives
2. Those who actively use Facebook and unwillingly tell it everything about their lives (who don't know what data it collects)
3. Those who once actively used Facebook
4. Those who have never created a Facebook (or WhatsApp or Instagram) account
The real issue is, FB likely has as much private data about group number 4 as group number 1 because of their shadow profiles (which they euphemistically refer to as "future Facebook users"). And their current or past employees seem to be a little too conveniently blind to this matter. See here for e.g.: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16676720
All Google's posturing about 'review and manage your data' is meaningless to me in that regard. Why can't I ask them to delete everything associated with my IPv6 block, for example?
Google buys your credit card purchase data. Did you give it that? Why do you think Google wants you to stay logged into Chrome?
Let’s be honest here and call a spade a spade.
The world is just realizing how ads based business models work and there’s no difference between Google and Facebook.
A more accurate explanation of the scare quote:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16698587
> IIRC, this was announced as part of a program that uses double-blinded crypto that allows google to perform matching against this data in aggregate (Set intersection knowledge), but not individually identity of what a given user purchased, at the same time preventing the merchants from learning the identities of individuals either.
> According to what they presented at a crypto conference, they went to great pains to avoid capturing personally identifiable transactions. The overall strategy is that Google Knows = Set A = (all ads shown for user X at Merchant Y) Merchant/Credit Card Proccessor Knows = Set B = (all $$$ paid by User X at Merchant Y), and that it is possible to cryptographically compute sum($$$ of A intersect B) without either side learning Set(User X).
> Now whether you believe in the security of the algorithm and whether there are side channel leaks or attacks is another issue.
> Edit: http://bristolcrypto.blogspot.com/2017/01/rwc-2017-secure-mp...
> About 10 minutes in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee7oRsDnNNc
I never told Facebook to upload my cell-phone contacts to their servers, where-as with Google, I willingly store them using Google Contacts.
It's not so much the data they have, but how they obtain and use the data they have.