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With a president who is under attack by the mainstream media?

Democracy has just got a reboot, my friend. For the first time in ages the herds are not following what their slavemasters are telling them.

I have no dog in this fight since I'm European, but I'm glad he won and I root for the people of America who denounce the cesspool of propaganda what is disguised as their free media.

You are becoming true to your values again. I wish all Americans luck in your fight against the usurers.

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Whether you meant to include an anti-Semitic slur or not, this comment breaks the HN guidelines badly by taking the thread into low-rent political flamewar. These discussions are always teetering on the brink of that. It's no reason to push them over.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16612279 and marked it off-topic.

> I root for the people of America who denounce the cesspool of propaganda what is disguised as their free media.

Your entire comment is propaganda unfortunately.

Sigh. Political topics are always bringing out the crazy and delusional commenters. Can we just delete this from the homepage?

Don't worry, I will delete it a bit later anyway, I don't like to leave political comments behind. But thanks for the ad hominem.

Just remember that most people want to live peacefully with the rest of the world, no matter their race or background. Haters are always the minority and no amount of hate spewing will make you seem friendly.

Who is hating what exactly here? I hold no hate in my heart for any human being. I do disapprove of the debt slavery taking place in much of the world right now, causing suffering to countless of lives who would otherwise be happy and decent humans beings.

I do not even hate those who are greedy and bring this suffering on the innocent: I'm sure their soul is tormented and void of loving kindness.

I just simply disapprove of their action and wish there was a way to stop this madness.

Leaving comments with the express purpose of deleting them later is hostile to the idea of open conversation.

Why? I just don't want it to be persisted. I don't seem to be alone with that need https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/nuke-reddit-histor...

It's hard to have an honest conversation with someone when you know that they plan to cover up what they said.

If you didn't want to leave it behind, you shouldn't have posted it on a public forum. Good luck deleting it from any archival sites it has ended up on.

Well, I like having discussion with people, especially thoughtful people like here on HN.

That does not mean that I want to persist said discussion.

> usurers

In case anyone missed it, this is an anti-Semitic slur.

That seems like a very uncharitable interpretation, I went through many pages of google results for that term and couldn't find anything in regards to anti-Semitic connotations.

Perhaps we should assume that friendly_chap is telling the truth when he says he's referring to the bankers, and not the jews?

Yes... and maybe discussions shouldn't be immediately disrupted and censored as soon as someone accuses another as being anti-semite.

I don't know how on here to read a flagged comment, so I don't know the context in which this was used, but I thought "usury" was a quite common term. There are usury laws in states against high-interest loans. I think we should be mindful against creating slurs where they don't exists, as the word itself is just a word that refers to something very real. Again, I don't know how to see the context.

The usury slur is literally centuries old. It originated from the time when Christians were forbidden from charging interest. Over time it morphed into the stereotype that Jews are greedy and money grubbing. You probably have noticed the upswing in anti-Semitic sentiment related to the rise of Trump, take Charlottesville with the torch lit March with chants of "Jews will not replace us". Things are a good deal worse in Europe, it EAS exceedingly clear what the poster was referring to.

>I don't know how on here to read a flagged comment

Go to https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=cabaalis and turn "showdead" to "yes".

While you're not missing much, the context doesn't seem very damning.

I cannot imagine why you would get downvoted for what you said. Seems some politically motivated down-vote fest going on now. Did not expect things to be this ugly on HN. I am upvoting your's to compensate and flagging mine, with the hope of drawing Dang's attention.

Edit: Apparently I cannot flag mine.

Why don't you just flag the anti-semitism?

To be honest that was way too confusing for me to figure out. I am quite a few continents away. As I said, I don't have much of the cultural context.

Apparently 'usury' is anti-Semitic and this was the first time I have heard such a claim. Something tells me that I should not bother finding out why it is or isn't.

It's not just use of the word "usury". It's the combination of the money lenders theme (or they run the banking system) with they run the media and they're taking over the world.

I don't have the cultural context, so help me grasp why would this word be anti-Semitic, as far as I know it has a perfectly legit meaning.

It is not, but I appreciate your self confidence. I guess I'm secretly a self hating jew.

You are not Jewish

Many of my ancestors are. Though not in terms of religion. I do not follow any religion apart from Buddhism which I don't consider a religion.

Where does he say anything against Jewish people? Claiming his comment is anti-semetic is anti-semtic.

Why did he get flagged? He didn't say anything worth being flagged over. He said that people in the US are in debt, and then this person assumed that he meant to Jewish people and called him anti-semetic, and then his comment was immediately censored.

> usurers

That’s code for “Jews” and this guy is a racist antisemite

You equate usurers with Jews. Who is the racist here? I have an axe to grind with bankers, not Jews.

Code from what dictionary? I am pretty sure you are the racist antisemite.

From Europe's big old dictionary of xenophobia as far back as 1233 http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/0...

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