Languages allow you to express your reasoning, but they don't do the reasoning by themselves. Also, there is no conclusive evidence that homoiconic languages have simpler semantics, especially of the denotational kind.
Um, and how exactly are primitive forms defined?
> most keywords get the explanation of "this is how the computer will act" and then explanations of new behaviors.
Have you heard of Hoare logic? The meaning of ordinary ALGOL-style imperative programs can be given in terms of relating preconditions to postconditions. Suppose that you have the Hoare triples:
{P} foo {Q}
{Q} bar {R}
{P} foo; bar {R}
foo; bar
My point was that you don't typically see c constructs explained in terms of other c constructs. This is quite common in lisp. To see lisp constructs explained in terms of other lisp constructs. In large because there are few constructs.
You showing me that you can explain using other logic is kind of my point. It is awesome that you can do this. I recommend the skill. It is still not showing c or Java or Haskell or whatever in terms of themselves.
Note that I think you actually can do this, in large. It is not typically done, though.
Don't confuse “defined” with “implemented”. This is the entire point to having an axiomatic semantics!
> My point was that you don't typically see c constructs explained in terms of other c constructs.
Languages can't be entirely defined in terms of themselves. At some point you need to drop down to something else. If most of Lisp is defined in terms of other Lisp constructs, that is perfectly fine, but, for my purposes, i.e., proving things about programs, there are two mutually exclusive possibilities:
(0) The semantics of Lisp is the semantics of its primitive forms, and derived forms are just Lisp's standard library.
(1) So-called “derived” forms have an abstract semantics of their own right, and their implementation in terms of so-called “primitive” forms is, well, an implementation detail.
So, my answer to “most of Lisp is defined in terms of Lisp itself” is “that's cute, but how mathematically elegant is the part of Lisp that is not defined in terms of itself?”
So, by all means, keep arguing points I'm not making. I was offering what I suspect the parent post meant by it being easier to reason using the mechanics of the language. Nothing more.
And it still doesn't make sense. “Reasoning about programs” is making inferences about their meaning, i.e., deriving judgments from prior judgments. How exactly do homoiconic languages make it any easier to make inferences about the meaning of programs, given that homoiconicity is largely a property of how concrete and abstract syntaxes are related to each other? (Not that homoiconicity makes things more difficult either. It is just completely unrelated to reasoning about programs.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_interpretation
Using abstract interpretation, you can derive interesting program properties. The uniformity and simplicity of Prolog code, as well as its built-in language constructs like unification and backtracking, make it especially easy to write abstract interpreters for Prolog.
Here is a paper that applies this idea to derive several interesting facts about programs and their meaning:
Michael Codish and Harald Søndergaard, Meta-circular Abstract Interpretation in Prolog (2002) https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F3-540-36377-7_6
Abstract interpretation is also applicable to other programming languages. However, it is much easier to apply to homoiconic languages like Prolog.
Please note that what makes this reasoning method so easily applicable in this case is uniformity of the abstract syntax, not of the surface syntax, which is also called concrete syntax.
Homoiconicity is a relation between the concrete and abstract syntax tree (AST) of programs and the language's built-in data structures.
Specifically, learning algebraic manipulation is typically taught by showing the basic math that you are abstracting over. Multiplication is often taught in terms of addition.
Are there deeper understandings? Of course! I am again just saying that I see the appeal for this method and suspected that was the point that sparked confusion.