Comment by briandear | Hacker News Reader

Comment by briandear | Hacker News Reader

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This Trump dictator hysteria is getting ridiculous (responding to the article you linked.)

If anything we should be alarmed now outraged that the FBI was actually working to influence American elections — which is what the evidence is starting to heavily suggest. But, that is another discussion.

Right wing nutcases were talking about the potential of Obama postponing elections or attempting to seek a third term or similar malarkey— we laughed at those people just a few years ago but now we are seeing almost identical and equally nonsensical claims about Trump — for no other reason than ideological disagreement and Hillary-Defeat-Depressive-Syndrome.

Here’s a link about an Obama third term scenario for Zero Hedge — a variation of this FUD was posted all over various right wing blogs.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-16/obama-wants-third-...

And now, right on cue, we have the left doing the same thing.

Just stop. Trump doesn’t care about being a dictator, he just wants to finish his presidency and cash in on the speaking circuit and book tours while kicking back in Florida.

I am not necessarily for or against Trump — but I am definitely tired of otherwise intelligent people falling into some of the most factless wild-eyed conspiracy theories.

The implication that the US is similar to Turkey is not even remotely supported by facts or history. Let’s stop with the false equivalencies.

"No other reason"? What kind of total eclipse of the senses is that? The man is unfit for public service; no, does not even know the meaning of those words. A low-intellect real estate dealer from New York is among the very, very last people on earth to be permitted the office and the power he wields. Those of us constantly panicking (for a score of months now) do so for such obvious reasons - the stream of illegal/corrupt messages spewing forth at America daily from what should be the most sober, deliberate speaker in the nation.

If we're suffering from some kind of potus-ptsd, perhaps there's a reason.

What briandear is trying to say is that extreme points of view damage the democracy regardless of whether they are to the left or right.

And your point is extreme, for example. You are claiming that he is unfit. That's your opinion but wasn't the opinion of millions of people.

Personally I think he is extremely unqualified, and should not have been elected. Again, this doesn't matter.

The point is, he is the president, trying to delegitimize him serves no good to this country.

A democracy is built on the losing side acquiescing and letting the majority rule. This is why it was a big deal when Trump stated ahead of the elections that he would dispute them if he lost: it was a threat to the Democratic process. A civil war is the final result of this, when the minority does not want to give up control.

A democracy is built on the losing side acquiescing and letting the majority rule.

Just because something is "democratic" doesn't mean it's inherently just, good, fair, or noble. Democracies have their own pathologies - see, for example, the "Tyranny of the Majority"[1] problem.

And never forget these words from "Johnny Got His Gun":

    Father: You're gonna make the world safe for democracy!

    Joe Age 10: What is democracy?

    Father: Well it's never bright clear on myself. 
    Like any other kind government it's got something to 
    do with young men killing each other I believe.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

I like that characterization of the man: "a threat to the Democratic process". He's gamed the system, similar to the way Julius Caesar gamed elections once upon a time, without regard to the damage he was doing. Its all about him.

He is not a legitimate president; he's a fool that used transparent car-salesman blather to sway an election. Most of those 'millions' have lived to regret their foolishness.

Many democratic processes have recall ability. Now that the majority despise this fool, its time we used such a route to fix this. "Serves no purpose?" What can that possibly mean. Of course it serves the purpose of not having a child in charge of the entire nation.

Hyperbole and hysteria are no way to go through life. Most people who voted for trump haven't lived to regret their foolishness. That's nonsense. And it is rare for a majority to love a president. Obama had some tough moments himself and that's with newspapers and magazines literally painting him as emperors of past.

We'll survive Trump, just like we survived Obama, and survived Bush, and Clinton, etc etc.

Not 'just like'; maybe not at all. This is where we fundamentally disagree.

There's no way to whitewash this president; comparing him to previous disagreeable presidents does a disservice to everybody. The degree to which things are off the rails is absolutely unprecedented in American history.

Can you offer any examples besides him using naughty words? Foreign relations vis a vis Russia, China, N. Korea, Syria seem to be edging slightly in the US and allies favor. A compromise DACA agreement is imminent. The tax cut will cost a lot less than the ACA did, and stimulate the economy much more.

I'm just not seeing where things are off the rails except for our social and political elitist continued clutching of pearls and running for their fainting couches, exactly 8 years after they marched in the streets with puppets of Bush being lynched. Maybe not how you want, but off the rails is hyperbole.

> You are claiming that he is unfit. That’s your opinion but wasn’t the opinion of millions of people.

Although we embrace democracy that doesn’t mean we embrace relativism.

Oh man, the echo chamber here is hilarious. Sorry bub, i gave you one internet point to cheer you up buddy.

Ive found the trump haters really never entertain dialogue and are nothing more than an eztension of some psyops operation

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