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Not like cash at all. You can't pay with cash unless you are right there. Also, paying with large amounts of cash is hard or suspicious or even impossible.

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So crimes arent possible with cash?

Fewer crimes are possible with cash than with cryptocurrencies. It’s not boolean.

Yet more crimes are being done with cash than cryptocurrencies.

How many crimes occurred on or by means of the Silk Road and it’s clones?

Compared to cash? An infinitesimal amount.

It’s just occurred to me I have been ambiguous. I am talking about sets and classes, but you are responding as if I meant individual crimes (for which the 300,000 transactions per day limit provides a plausible upper ceiling, iff they only used bitcoin).

Let me rephrase: how many categories of crime occurred on Silk Road et al, and how many are not — based on current law enforcement — plausible to get away with when involving cash?

Do you seriously compare the total amounts of something HUGE and something tiny? The size of the cash universe still is orders of magnitude larger than Silkroad ever was - and you compare the totals? Seriously?

No I am comparing the utility of cash with the utility of crypto.

The claim was made that crypto is bad because it can be used for crime to which i responded like cash.

You claimed it's not at all like cash but you haven't actually provided any argument for how it's not. Instead you have looked at a few obvious differences which doesn't take anything away from the original claim that cash and crypto can be used for the same things and in fact are being used for the same thing.

I don't know how to make it much more clear.

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/09/19/22-billion-dollars-...

How you can even claim that with a straight face is beyond me. Here is just one person's cash usage.

First, by writing “just one person’s cash”, it is automatic to infer you consider this representative. I assert that it is not, and furthermore that if it were even close then the criminal economy would vastly exceed the non-criminal one.

Second, look at the date on that and tell me, with a straight face, that they didn’t use any cryptocurrencies. If they really did have $22bn, perhaps even if they only had $22m, I expected they used a dozen forms of currency they couldn’t even name.

I am not the one claiming one is worse than the other. You are.

I am not saying “worse”, I am saying “superset”. On the basis that all crimes that can occur with cash have an equivalent that can happen with cryptocurrencies but not vice versa — you cannot force someon else’s computer to forge coins for you, and high-value transactions have rules against cash in places that don’t have rules against cryptocurrencies.

I do not understand how you consider you response to be relevant, however.

I do not understand your question.

Cash and crypto can be used for more or less the same number of crimes. That was my original point.

Furthermore cash is defacto being used for more crimes every day as most criminals are using cash not crypto.

I don't understand what your question has to do with anything I wrote. Unless your intention is not an actual honest discussion, but to mislead - but surely that cannot be true.

My intention was to show you that there is in fact similarities between cash and bitcoin and that your claim that there isnt at all is wrong.

They are both used for crime and cash is used way more for crime than bitcoin is.

So your claim is simply wrong.

> that your claim that there isnt at all is wrong.

Well, it isn't, as I already pointed out. Is the main strength of your argument how often you repeat it?

> So your claim is simply wrong.

Ah, yes, as I suspected. A strong conviction in place of arguments, reasoning and considering other people's arguments.

You haven't provided any argument in how they are different and in fact you haven't provided any argument in how cryptocurrencies are worse than cash.

I am not holding my breath that you will of course, but just so that we are clear.

> You haven't provided any argument in how they are different

You are quite the joker. Or maybe you have some real problems reading English?

Try again: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16197689

Of course, it's been quite obvious for a while that you are just trolling.

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