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That first recommendation is pure genius!

I saw it done with a stacked pair of dishwasher drawers (e.g.: https://www.remodelista.com/posts/appliances-dishwasher-draw... ) in a small apartment in Switzerland recently, with "clean" and "dirty" magnets that got swapped around -- there was no other dish storage. Pretty great.

My other favorite is the Italian dish drainer (a few examples here: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/759138080911631519 ) -- basically the cabinet above the sink is a dish drainer with an open bottom.

The drying cabinet is actually a Finnish invention [1] (although apparently preceded by a US patent that never took off). It was popular in Scandinavia for a while, and you still come across homes from the 50-60s that have them, but they're no longer popular now that most people have automatic dishwashers. My family has a mountain cabin in Norway, built in the 1950s with no dishwasher, that have these, and they're very handy.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dish_drying_cabinet

I never have enough dirty dishes to do a full dishwasher run, and I find I need new dishes before I've run a load, so now I just handwash and use the dishwasher as a drying rack.

Very nearly every home in Finland has one these still.

In Italian it is called "scolapiatti", it may well have been patented in the US and be a Finnish invention (in the form suspended over the kitchen sink), but in Italy it has been a traditional tool since dishes were invented, it used to be an outside piece of furniture, more like a basket:

https://maisonderose.wordpress.com/2014/03/17/cera-una-volta...

http://www.lasoffittaretro.it/classico/48-scolapiatti-in-fer...

until houses had water (and thus sinks), I believe that as soon as sinks were installed in kitchens, the one or the other form of "scolapiatti" became in use, this is an early, primitive, type:

http://www.comune.sangiorgiodellarichinvelda.pn.it/fileadmin...

And this is another example:

https://www.picclickimg.com/d/w1600/pict/192394042552_/AAX-P...

There exist single dishwashers that provide this capability, and they may suffice depending on your dishwashing needs and average load.

1: https://www.fisherpaykel.com/us/kitchen/dish-washers/dishdra...

I recently bought an apartment after having rented a place with these drawer dishwashers.

I considered it a non-negotiable to never live with them again if given the choice. The small ones just aren't practical if you cook. Put on some rice, boil some veggies, fry up some meat, and suddenly you're already out of room. You've not done cutlery, breakfast, lunch or desert. And god help you if you cook anything more complicated than that...

I've read that the fisher paykel dishwashers have a lot of reliability problems compared to normal dishwashers unfortunately.

I’ve thought about getting like 5 and replacing all cabinets. A lower end dishwasher is about the same as a custom cabinet $150-$300).

At that point you could start washing your neighbors’ dishes as a service.

Connect those dishwashers to a cloud based backend, add in a little NLP onto the ordering interface, then slap an app and a nice slide deck on top and I think this KaaS offering could be ready for Series A funding before the summer :D

Then introduce a new blockchain payment coin (might I suggest DishCoin?) and you're off to the races!

Assuming an average repair rate of one fault every five years, you'll be needing to service or replace one of those dishwashing cabinets every single year.

Not quite. You would not quintuple your dishwashing usage, so you wouldn’t expect to quintuple your service requirements.

But double, that I would believe.

Think of all the time savings of putting dishes away that’s what keeps me excited.

Don't skimp om dishwasher quality. You'd think 'hiw different can they be', but a cheap dishwasher is only slightly better than none at all (having to rinse, redoing things that weren't cleaned well, frequent breakage/blockage) whereas a good one is a life changer.

recommendations? I have yet to find a good one.

Miele. Twice as expensive as most others, but they'll last 20 years.

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