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You do realize who's behind the vast majority of violent crime in Swdeden, right?

Hint: Many of them are not particularly known for celebrating Christmas.

Please don't violate the guidelines like this. We ban accounts that do.

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As always, moderators have the final say, take it or leave it. I'm the first to acknowledge that, whether or not I agree with a specific decision.

Interested, though, in a subcomment to see myself sort of likened to a "daily stormer, 4chan, neo-nazi, alt-right psychopath", and that comment apparently not getting censored, despite my flagging.

I'm probably just being thick, but the ruleset is not immediately obvious to me.

Other comments are not the guidelines, the guidelines are the guidelines. Introducing a flamewar topic without anything (new or otherwise) to say about it is mentioned explicitly.

If you are going to be a racist dick, at least be overt about it...

Oh, but I probably am a racist dick.

In this case, however, I don't need to be. A simple look at statistics will do fine.

Another hint: It is not native young Swedes who have suddenly gone on a rampage and turned shootings, killings, and the occasional grenade into mundane, everyday background-noise in places like Malmø.

Now your turn to be an overt anatomical metafor.

Interesting! Are you implicitly claiming non-Chtistmas-celebrating individuals are inherently less moral than Christmas-celebrating counterparts? I would love a citation to a survey of scientific studies supporting this claim. Mostly because I'm pretty sure it's bogus.

No, he's implicitly claiming that the crimes are disproportionally committed by immigrants and refugees, who are disproportionally not Christian. The following article (note the URL), after mutch hemming and hawing, manages to spit out the sentence:

According to the most recent study, people from foreign backgrounds are 2.5 times more likely to be suspected of crimes than people born in Sweden to Swedish-born parents.

Rapidly qualified by statements about income of course: In a later study, researchers at Stockholm University showed that the main difference in terms of criminal activity between immigrants and others in the population was due to differences in the socioeconomic conditions in which they grew up in Sweden.

http://www.government.se/articles/2017/02/facts-about-migrat...

Crying RACIST! at everyone who points this out may be effective in silencing them but it doesn't make it any less true, and it doesn't make the pro-immigration side any less obligated to explain why Sweden is obligated to accept this. It may well be that it's the right thing to do, but using accusations of racism instead of actual moral reasoning, such as, "if we didn't accept them they would be persecuted" is intellectually dishonest.

Nope, he said the vast majority of violent crimes are committed by one group, not that one group is disproportionally represented in the violent crime statistics. Big difference, and it makes him completely wrong and it either reflects poorly on your reading comprehension or you're somehow trying to polish his blatantly racist statement in dishonest ways.

No, I am not. I am claiming - or reporting, rather - that violent crime has escalated vastly in certain parts of Sweden, and that immigrants almost exclusively are behind this escalation.

And you determined this, how? First hand observation and reporting? Raw reported data (which can have racial bias, if the majority culture reports higher against immigrants or minorities), or what?

You made a bold claim regarding religious practice, and to my view you are now moving the goalposts by adding refugee/minority status into the claim. Should I assume no formal metastudies?

From simple following of daily news. From frequent visits to Malmø over the years. From Malmø friends who are leaving or have already left because the situation is getting out of hand. From top officials in the Malmø police force, who report themselves unable to cope with the escalation. From the official Swedish bureau of statistics, whose numbers are crystal clear.

Also, I do of course realize that this discussion is pointless and impossible, even in the supposedly rational environment of HN.

So far, the only rebuttal I have seen has been "racist dick".

Sweden doesn't record religion in the census. I'm very interested in seeing your source for your statements.

And "the vast majority of violent crimes" does not mean that one group is more disproportionally represented. Don't throw around words you don't understand, such as "majority".

No amount of downvoting will contradict my claim. It's a simple matter of publicly available statistics.

I think everyone is waiting for you to cite a properly peer-reviewed paper, or any sound evidence at all.

And I am waiting for someone to come out and contradict me. Stating either that violent crime in Sweden has not gone up, or that it isn't perpetrated by those I claim are the foremost perpetrators. Or both.

Anyone?

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