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Then I’d need to find a computer with a SATA interface... looking 10 years in the future it’d be even less easy.

I have friends who work in the IT section for an under-resourced cultural institute focused on the preservation and recording of disappearing cultures and ethnic groups, including the preservation of speech and utterances in languages that now have no living native speakers. They discovered recently, to their alarm, that the only surviving copies of some recordings were now on old 3½ and 5¼ inch floppies that had somehow been stored without accurate cataloguing. They are struggling to find equipment that can 1) read the discs, 2) interface with the disc drives, 3) tell them what is actually on each disc and what file formats are in use (they have good guesses, but no certainty) and 4) find software that will be compatible with those formats.

They have neither the skills nor budget to do in-house nor outsourced forensics for this. At this point they don't even know what exactly might be lost to humanity's knowledge, and the descendents of these people, forever.

Hi, Jason Scott of the Internet Archive. Let's talk. jscott@archive.org.

Please! Put them in touch wih the Internet Archive. The equipment you're looking for is called the Kryoflux - https://www.kryoflux.com/

So, I probably shouldn't have been surprised, considering it's HN, but the number of people who reached out to me on this was surprising and touching. I think I've responded to everyone directly, my apologies if I missed you.

I'm glad to report that, since last I'd spoken to them about the problem, they've figured out what to do and consider the matter solved. The material is recovered, recatalogued, and in good order.

Thanks again everyone for the concern, interest, and offers! I know where to come if something like this comes up again!

Would something like

https://www.officedepot.com/a/products/490099/Bytecc-Interna...

work?

Floppy + SD card reader -- looks handy. But still has an IDE connector. Recent motherboards only have SATA. The review here says you can't access the floppy via USB, fwiw: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682019...

Maybe something like this: (USB floppy) https://www.amazon.com/External-Floppy-Portable-Windows-Requ...

Yes, with a perfect floppy disk. There aren't any perfect floppy disks left. You need a kryoflux or similar.

I have a device that interfaces SATA (and a few other formats) to USB. A few of my friends have been very happy to borrow it, so it's definitely a tool I'm going to hang to. With no moving parts, it should last a while.

I have one as well, and it even does IDE too. I do computer repair in my spare time, so I'm not exactly the typical user, but I've gotten a lot more use out of mine then I would have expected as well.

For those looking to buy one, I would personally recommend just going for a simple one that has an external AC adapter. I've found a lot of the ones that attempt to power the drive straight from USB ports can unexpectedly have the drive power-off due to the USB ports not being able to supply enough power, which is obviously a huge issue (Even my eSATA with a Y-cable has this issue with some drives, making it basically unusable). Powering it externally is a lot more reliable.

I store backups on BluRay and bought a USB BD drive for this reason. I’m not planning on keeping the backups in this format forever, if something better comes out in 10 or 20 years I’ll move to that. I only use the drive once or twice a year, so it should last that long, and there will still be adapters for USB type A then.

My biggest concern is getting the disks. I can walk into my local supermarket and buy a DVD-R or CD-R no issues, but BD-Rs (especially high capacity discs) are hard to find even now.

Out of curiosity, have you seen M-Disc?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-DISC

It's supposed to provide a decent (not degrading over time) DVD and BluRay backup approach.

Years ago, with CD's I used to use Kodak "Gold" for archival things. M-Disc seems like the modern version.

There are USB disc readers, USB floppy readers, USB to RS-232 cables, you name it. No need for SATA. They usually aren't very expensive either.

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