> Forks are a good thing,I wish devuan great success so people like myself won't have to whine about systemd all the time.

The real issue with systemd is that there simply aren't enough volunteers (both individuals and companies) out there willing to contribute. In short, since gnome is pretty much developed by RedHat and systemd is developed by RedHat, gnome is tied into systemd.

If there was enough of a community around gnome that RedHat wouldn't be able to pull it wherever they want, gnome wouldn't have been able to be that coupled with systemd. The issue is that debian simply doesn't have the manpower needed to de-systemd gnome.