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I'm not going to say that we should all be in cars, but I used to ride my bicycle everywhere-

I ride motorcycles now, and I still get a lot of the upsides- open to the environment, a physical activity (though more mild than biking at a hard pace), and my stress levels are lower.

But it has one more huge upside; back when I bicycled all the time, I'd always arrive everywhere hot and sweaty. Workplaces can install showers, but what about the supermarket? The library? Classrooms? Your girlfriend's house? (which of course has showers, but back then her parents would NOT have approved)

If you're going to build a city with all of those things a few blocks away, then it's an easy ride and no big deal, but that's a pretty major overhaul. I don't see it working in existing cities. Plus, besides problems with showers, the time commitment in existing cities is pretty big. I live rather close to my job, and it would still take me 1-2 hours to get there by bicycle.

Once again, not that I love cars everywhere all the time, but it's a pretty darn big feat to switch to bicycles in many American cities.

disclaimer: I do love my bikes, I'm kind of a petrol head.

I don't think it's fair to class riding a motorcycle as a physical activity, if riding a motorcycle is then so is riding a car. Yes, I've done my bit of biking and yes, it's more of a 'workout' (if that's even an appropriate term) compared to riding a car but it's nowhere near the exercise you get on a bike, either by duration or by distance travelled.

Also, most of the memories I've got from riding motorcycles long distance are that you arrive stiff as a board from not moving for that long.

Oh, of course, unless you're racing it's nothing close to bicycles. It's just more than cars, and I feel like that makes a bit of a difference

If you're doing it right, you are stiff as a board from using the same muscles to hold proper posture constantly.

1-2 hours away by bicycle is not "rather close", it's downright far.

Why not find a place where you can cycle to work in 10-15 minutes? I did it and it works great. It gives you lots of free time (short commute) and money (no car ownership). So much so that I started a freelance shop on the side.

Well, it's only 15-20 minutes by motorcycle, but I live in mountainous terrain and I'm not one of those crazy bicyclists who can maintain 20mph up a hill. If it was 15-20 minutes away because of stoplights and traffic it'd be bicyclable, but it's 15-20 minutes of highway through the hills.

I can't exactly just pick any 'ol other job; I'm in school and that is extremely limiting.

Also, if I suddenly had more money, I'd spend at least some of it on (motor)bikes because that's my hobby, so "you'll save money on transportation" doesn't work.

15 mins ride is barely enough to get warmed up, you might as well run to get some exercise. 10-20 miles from work is a nice distance for cycling.

[Somewhat off-topic from bicycles in cities; my apologies.]

Do you not get sweaty on motorcycles? Even with a fully mesh jacket, I arrive everywhere _drenched_. In the height of the summer, I put on an athletic shirt and keep my real shirt in a bag to change into when I get to my destination.

If anything, I'd say bicycles are better because it's difficult to go fast enough to require the safety gear that a motorcycle does.

Disclaimer: new motorcyclist, used to race bicycles at a high level; I'm kind of a pedal head.

It depends. When it's really really hot, yes, but at those temperatures it doesn't matter what I use to travel, I'll be sweating anyway.

Admittedly, I'm really quite good at my lowering my heart rate and by extension body temperature at stop lights, and my commuter bike has a fully upright riding stance with no wind protection. I get plenty of ventilation; on a night that would be temperate on my sport bike, I'd be freezing on my commuter bike.

P.S. have you bicycled recently? I feel so ridiculously exposed, out of control and vulnerable now that I'm used to armor, and I really do prefer the armor.

> I live rather close to my job, and it would still take > me 1-2 hours to get there by bicycle.

Funny, I live as far as is bearable from my job, and it would take me a bit more than 1 hour to get there by bicycle (and 35 to 45 minutes by car). How your scales can be stretched by motor vehicles :)

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