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Well said. The point that Wall Street != New York is particularly important here, w.r.t Antonio's post. I've only been here a year, but I know New York is big, and it is not homogeneous. I don't think Antonio ever realized that.

Also, kudos to blip.tv. I had a chance to meet a few of the blip kids a few months ago and you guys were really cool.

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It isn't but at the same time, Mountain View != San Francisco any more than Secaucus, NJ == New York. The whole thing boils down to a couple of guys who don't know what they're talking about blogging past each other. Which is their inalienable right, just not very interesting.

Seconded. I rarely interact with those types, and I work for a major consulting company in the city. There are multiple ways to avoid that crowd, starting with staying out of Murray Hill.

The thing I love about New York is the inherent challenge. You're among some of the most competitive people in the world who love nothing more than to squash your idea. And if you manage to convince those people or rise from their negativity, you know you're onto something.

I view it in many ways as its own little market economy with (close to) perfect competition among commodities. If something facing fierce competition (like restaurants, for example) can hold its own, you know there's some quality behind it.

> The thing I love about New York is the inherent challenge. You're among some of the most competitive people in the world who love nothing more than to squash your idea. And if you manage to convince those people or rise from their negativity, you know you're onto something.

So you're saying that if you have the ability to make it there, the probability of making it in other locations is high?

I always have trouble wording it in a way that doesn't convey that logic.. I just mean there's much more resistance to go through to vet your idea, for better or for worse. The NY tech community has a lot of the same personality as the HN community - just because you are a part of it doesn't make you less likely to succeed without it but it's great at providing guidance and critique.

I hope that clarifies, I still haven't found a great way to articulate it appropriately.

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/f/frank+sinatra/new+york+new+york...

Take a look at the 5th stanza. Then look at the comment you're replying to.

i live in murray hill and love it. Close to grand central, union sq, madison sq park, great selection of restaurants (not trying to compare to downtown or even some ues areas), and it doesnt hurt that I work 4 blocks away from my apt.

Plenty of cheesy bars that are sure to bring in the 'i just graduated and trying to break into PR' crowds of girls.

Whats not to love?

I have even heard that Manhattan != New York, although my relatives on the Upper West Side treat Brooklyn as a distant and inaccessible planet.

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