The U.S. Flooded One of Houston’s Richest Neighborhoods to Save Everyone Else
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Basically, the Army blew the levee to save a town, Cairo, IL, at the expense of (a few) homes and (lots of) farmland on the MO side. Maciej (HN user idlewords) mentioned it in one of his interesting blog posts[1].
The blog post asserts:
> The farmers downriver got their fields fertilized with rich river silt and are wealthier and more resentful than ever. Like so many beneficiaries of big government, they remain its implacable foes.
which I've never been able to source, though I've been curious about it. AFAICT most of the farmers left and never returned to the area.
[0]http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/columns/pat-gauen/saving-...
[1] http://idlewords.com/2015/07/confronting_new_madrid_part_2.h...
Many locals pronounce Johnny Carson's teenage hometown Norfolk, Nebraska as "Norfork."
I don't think it comes from ignorance though (and I'm not saying you're saying it does) but instead just a way of taking local ownership.
(To be fair, there might have been some people in rural parts of the state who did talk like that. But usually it's coming from people who probably shouldn't.)
I offered my observation (intended with good humor) that it's not really true that Missourians by and large say "Missour-ah" -- or "Missour-ih" if you like -- but rather it's pretty much only politicians trying hard to sound folksy, and maybe a few older people in the most rural parts.
The weird thing about this point of view is that the US Army Corps of Engineers are lionized for their continued mismanagement of the War on Flowing Water (like all Wars the army fights, it loses this one too!) while private entities like Little River who have done a better job for a longer time are sneered at for their presumed lack of earthquake preparedness. (Why worry about excess rain it only comes once every couple of years; the earthquake that happens once a millennium should be the big worry!)
Blog post says more about the philosophy of blogger than about reality.
Are you sure about the "homes" part?
20 years ago, I was a professor at Southeast Missouri State University in Cape Girardeau. As part of new faculty orientation, we took a bus tour of the area. During the trip, we passed through the Birds Point-New Madrid Floodway. We were told that no one was allowed to live there, so that it could be flooded on short notice without endangering people or their homes.
The other issue I see is that for some reason Houston didn't require all of these people to have flood insurance. I feel like if you live in an area that gets hit with Hurricanes flood insurance should be a requirement period. This would all be a moot point if these people were adequately covered by insurance
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15472082
According to the article, it sounds pretty bad. The city and county knew where the flood reservoirs were. The developers knew, there were "small notices on the plats" for these properties (which developers fought). Homewoner's never saw these plats and had no idea they were in a flood zone.
"In the end, over significant opposition from developers, the county agreed to put a one-sentence disclosure of possible “controlled inundation” for plots of land in neighborhoods inside Barker. But the sentence was buried in the plat documents, which are not typically shown to homebuyers."
Sounds like the developers withheld material information from the homeowners. If so, it seems clear who is liable.
They do for 100-year plains, just not 500-year. Are these requirements common elsewhere for 500-year? I am not sure, but I assume so since there is surprise that "for some reason Houston didn't require" it.
Really nails home how overly critical we can be.
The folks outside of that pool, however, whose homes were only flooded because the Corp of Engineers decided to open the reservoir floodgates, have a reasonable claim for damages.
Their attorney is basing this claim on a violation of the 5th amendment, specifically relating to the state 'purposing private property for public use'.
However you can't have your cake and eat it too. Other regions have come up with regulations specifically because of the belief that a majority of the population benefits from them. The downside of regulation is cost and inconvenience—and a potential for corruption.
If a region decides against regulation then so be it. But then it incombs to its residents to plan their own contingencies (whether in the form of savings or insurance). The article's title is definitely on the click-bait side of the spectrum to cater to a narrative that the rich are overly bearing the burden of everyone else.
Banks require homeowners in flood plains with mortgages to maintain flood insurance. The problem is if you don't have a mortgage, you don't necessarily need insurance. However, perpetual Federal Government bailouts of homeowners creates moral hazard, and the expectation that Government will make you whole regardless of insurance, and thus bigger risks for all.
Not necessarily Houston. FEMA gets involved... if you're in a flood zone, FEMA mandates flood insurance (and so do the mortgage companies.)
http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2017/09/08/nashville-ma...
Lesson learned: live on a hill.
Now granted, this did not prevent the homeowners from doing their own due-diligence, but I really think that the city officials that agreed to this, and the developers that lobbied for it should all be taken to task for their actions (and I think this regardless of what happened during the hurricane).
The good thing about Houston is that everyone is there in together, the rich and the super rich.
When there is a storm in Houston, streets do flood for 30 minutes and traffic has to wait. Without the canals and the dams the city would stand still much longer, the damage would be intolerable.
Government did the right thing, but they should have warned them more timely. At 10pm, not 1am. With some acoustic alarm.
If hate is a necessary part of believing in climate change I'm not surprised people want nothing to do with that.
It's become a common tactic in public discourse to pretend as if issues are cleanly split between two coherent sides, with all action and words associated with the issue fully ascribable to one side or the other. But of course this is ridiculous, yahoos should get full credit for their yahoo ideas without it being necessary for anyone with even a vaguely similar position to denounce them.
People whose neighborhoods are likely to be flooded by such a decision should know years in advance that they are designated for it.
>> People whose neighborhoods are likely to be flooded by such a decision should know years in advance that they are designated for it.
From the Article: "This land and many of the homes to the north and west of the dams are located in what’s known as the flood pool — the upstream portion of the reservoirs. [...] Many homeowners west of the Barker dam claim they didn’t know they were in a flood pool, that they hadn’t spotted the fine print on the bottom of some of their subdivision maps. (“Who looks at a subdivision map?” one resident asks.) The text of one such map reads, “This subdivision is adjacent to Barker Reservoir and is subject to extended controlled inundation under the management of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.” "
Sounds like they were told, but didn't care enough. Other parts of the article state that many lawyers are refusing to take a lot of these lawsuits b/c they were in regions that are marked for exactly this scenario.
Read further:
"[...] many of the lawyers involved in the litigation asked [...] to separate claims from the north and west areas—the upstream ones—from downstream ones, to the south and east. [...] Most lawyers agree that the downstream cases stand the best chance of winning"
So when you say "they were told", you only mean some and not even the primary litigants they were talking with and the lawyer-of-interest was focused on. So it's not a case of "didn't care enough" and saying that confuses an already confusing issue.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/09/0...
The gist of it is that people don't want their properties classified as being in a flood zone (flood insurance in a high risk area is necessarily expensive) and this does influence the maps.
And it's not so much the insurance as you having to build for the flood when you ask for a building permit.
the irony that the home neighborhood of many of the worlds largest oil companies would want to sue because the global warming they're at the core of causing contributed towards the damage of their own buildings.
Feel free to stop consuming oil. Even your Tesla has plastics made from oil and uses power generated using oil. If you buy a single thing made in China, you are buying products generally made using coal-fired electricity. Unless you live in a grass hut, you are part of the “problem.”
> Even your Tesla has plastics made from oil
I think nearly all plastics are made out of natural gas, not oil.
Fracking monster
"Chemical plants produce olefins by steam cracking of natural gas liquids like ethane and propane. Olefins are the basis for polymers and oligomers used in plastics, resins, fibers, elastomers, lubricants, and gels."
Grade-school libertarianism doesn't apply here. I'm blaming them for using their billions of dollars to pack my government with people like James Inhofe who willingly spread lies and misinformation about a regulatory subject they know nothing about:
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/234026-sen-inho...
> Take a look at Inhofe's campaign funding. The major source, contributing half a million dollars over the past five years, has been the oil and gas industry... If Inhofe were to change his position on man-made global warming, is it credible that he would retain all this funding? No. He receives money from fossil fuel companies because he articulates the views to which these funders subscribe, and because he advances their interests in the Senate. Given that keeping your seat means spending a fortune on television advertising and other forms of campaigning, changing your views on a matter of great interest to your sponsors is likely to be political suicide.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/georgemonbiot/2012/a...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Flood_Insurance_Progr...
If you like this, then you should also support eminent domain, where the government can take whatever it wants to make the neighborhood better.
It definitely irks me when people say "oh they're just energy sector republicans", as if political disagreements makes anyone less deserving of rights under the law. Equality, people, is something you must enforce ESPECIALLY when you don't like the person receiving equality. This was a true thing to say to racists in the past, and to republican haters of the present.
To really get side-tracked: Is it okay to hate haters? Are you justified to do to them what they do? No, I would say love your enemy, if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. Your gifts will be like hot coals on his head.
If we'd be talking paperclips vs paperclips would that be morally similar? Or is the monetary value of houses somehow large enough to justify a similarity to human lives?
And then there are all the "houses" built from salvaged materials in poor countries. Not sure if you'd want to count those. A person living in such a structure would still be considered homeless in many places.
It would be more accurate to say 'People are more emotionally attached to people than houses'.
Even so, none of those things matter (photos, computer files, etc) when you balance them with a human life.
Maybe only to the people involved, but it's likely that a fairly accurate dollar value could still be assigned to the loss.
What makes you think that any kind of property is worth as much as a human life?
I feel that the central thesis of your comment that the government is this faceless entity that has decided through force to violate lives and is thereby reprehensible to be something that's counter to the facts of the matter and the case at hand.
From the article, it quickly becomes clear that they were trying to avoid catastrophic failure by diverting water to a historic food plain;
> “If we don’t begin releasing now, the volume of uncontrolled water around the dams will be higher,” Colonel Lars Zetterstrom, the Corps’ Galveston district commander, was quoted as saying. “It’s going to be better to release the water through the gates directly into Buffalo Bayou.” The danger was that the water would flow uncontrolled into homes located upstream from the reservoir, crest the reservoir walls downstream, or crack a section of the Barker dam that was under repair. Had either dam failed, the Houston Chronicle later wrote, West Houston would have been left with “a week of corpses by the mile.”
In one cases, the failure would have been sudden and would have killed an unforeseeably large number of people. In another, they could act to preserve lives, but damage property that can be later rebuilt. They chose the latter, and I believe this was the most moral and correct response to the situation at hand.
Why aren't these people heroes for making this call? The Government in this case acted exactly as it should; as an entity that is meant to be representative of and beholden to its citizens and chose an action that preserved the lives of citizens over arbitrary property value that can be repaid through other means.
There is no version of this scenario that plays out well for anyone at all, but the fact that they minimized harm while reducing the risk of catastrophic failure shows that the system does work as intended. After all, homes can be rebuilt, but as far as I can tell, people can't be brought back from the dead.