Comment by samstave | Hacker News Reader

Comment by samstave | Hacker News Reader

I do a hit and run on a driverless car, assume its on its way to pickup a passenger, so no humans involved.

I hack a driverless car, again with no passengers, and make it do my bidding (hit that other [thing])

I follow driverless car back to its charging base and slash its tires?

I rearend a driverless car then leave the scene? (same as option 1 I guess - but could be applied differently)

A driverless car gets into its first fatal accident of a passenger, will that lawsuit result in the shutdown of the company? Who specifically will be held to account? Will the developer of the software? Will the engineer who didnt provide sufficient sensors? What if the driverless car looses traction due to black ice, and that results in the death of the passenger or another driver?

Im ubering from place A to place B and my phone dies early in the trip and the uber ride cant bill me?

What happens? There are a lot more questions that should be posed - and we should answer them all.

You get arrested for leaving the scene of an accident, and probably sued for damages. This is no different than smashing a parked car with no occupants and then driving off, except that in this case the car's sensors guarantee that you'll get caught.

Your vehicle and face are recorded by half a dozen cameras on the self-driving car and uploaded to the local police department for the accident report.

I think it's safe to say if someone was going to intentionally attack a Google self-driving car, say to hack it and direct it at a target, they'd bother to make a basic attempt to counteract the cameras. Something like those glasses with infrared lights that blind surveillance cams? Put some near your license plates as well perhaps, I don't know.

Not that I agree with the parent this is likely, but most of the replies here seem to ignore that technology is pretty easy to mitigate if you know what you're up against.

Yeah, basically exactly hat I am saying, aside from the medical questions...

Waymo had better have setup a course at DEFCON and see what those amazing minds can figure out on how to secure self driving vehicles.

This isnt a joke, this needs to be thoroughly sussed out

With the exception of the hacking case and maybe the legal ramifications of a fatal accident, I don't see how any of these are different than the status quo. Hit-and-run accidents and auto vandalism are an everyday occurrence whether a car is self-driven or not. I agree that there are a lot of questions and strange scenarios that should be considered. I think the assumption that none of these questions have been considered because they aren't being discussed in this thread on HN is flawed.

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What if instead of the ridiculous situations you provided, you just found a human driven car on a desert road outside of the city, and then shot the driver with a firearm?

How does current society deal with THAT situation?

Given the latest situations with LV and TX, we dont.

But thats not the fucking point and youre literally be intellectually disengenious to yourself for not even being willing to think about the ripple-effect of implications to self driving cars.

So my questions are "ridiculous" -- I posted about the health-safety implications about elf drivin cars as well, care to share your perception on that?

So a person is taking a self drivin car service and decides that without human supervision its OK to shoot-up and ODs in the car? What do?

A person gets in WAY too drunk and passes out to the point there is no way they can et out, even assuming the car gets them safely to their destination, what do?

A person has a stroke or seizure or dies in transit, what do?

These are valid questions, so if you have them all solved, then please share?

BTW - my beef is with SELF driving cars... ELF driving cars are both cute and give off the right vibe....

Presumably the above average number of sensors on the car make it pretty easy to identify your vehicle and you are charged with leaving the scene of a property damage accident.

I’d guess the car has a detailed recording of the crash including your license plate and contacts the nearby google employees and the police.

Then it probably cancels the ride.

At least that’s the process that would make sense to me.

Presumably all those cameras on the car will have picked you out.

There’s probably a ton of telemetry and data being recorded from any self driving car, so I doubt that would end well for you.

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